Comments on: Pais Kidd and My Strange Loop (Escher, Godel, and Second Life) http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:45:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Fashion in Second Life — Tenth Life http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-21121 Fashion in Second Life — Tenth Life Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:02:03 +0000 http://dusanwriter.ca/?p=138#comment-21121 [...] and Strange Loops One of the strange and disconcerting powers of virtual worlds is what I call the strange loop, the odd interplay between the real and the virtual, each embedded in the other, like [...] [...] and Strange Loops One of the strange and disconcerting powers of virtual worlds is what I call the strange loop, the odd interplay between the real and the virtual, each embedded in the other, like [...]

]]> By: Dusanwriter » My Avatar is Not Me, or, Why Virtual Worlds Will Not Become Appliances http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-812 Dusanwriter » My Avatar is Not Me, or, Why Virtual Worlds Will Not Become Appliances Fri, 23 May 2008 23:25:11 +0000 http://dusanwriter.ca/?p=138#comment-812 [...] love Tom because he helps to articulate my vaguely formed notion of Strange Loops and which was described by Douglas Hofstadter in his book I Am A Strange [...] [...] love Tom because he helps to articulate my vaguely formed notion of Strange Loops and which was described by Douglas Hofstadter in his book I Am A Strange [...]

]]> By: Leaving Second Life « Dusan Writer’s Metaverse http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Leaving Second Life « Dusan Writer’s Metaverse Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:47:35 +0000 http://dusanwriter.ca/?p=138#comment-98 [...] But it’s the interplay of the “real” with the virtual that is the richest source for the possibilities of change. If we purely think of virtual worlds as separate, we’re ignoring the fact that they are NOT walled gardens. They may have walls - platforms like World of Warcraft erect as many barriers between the game environment and external realities and economies as possible. But there are always chinks in those walls - either cracks or with entire chunks missing. Commerce will always find a way to cross over where there’s money to be made. Intellectual property will always find a way to be disseminated as widely as it needs to be, no matter how much copy protection we try to employ. But more important still, the selves that people bring to virtual spaces are not turned off when they log off. It may seem like there’s a separation between avatar and controller, but they’re part of each other, living in a strange loop. [...] [...] But it’s the interplay of the “real” with the virtual that is the richest source for the possibilities of change. If we purely think of virtual worlds as separate, we’re ignoring the fact that they are NOT walled gardens. They may have walls – platforms like World of Warcraft erect as many barriers between the game environment and external realities and economies as possible. But there are always chinks in those walls – either cracks or with entire chunks missing. Commerce will always find a way to cross over where there’s money to be made. Intellectual property will always find a way to be disseminated as widely as it needs to be, no matter how much copy protection we try to employ. But more important still, the selves that people bring to virtual spaces are not turned off when they log off. It may seem like there’s a separation between avatar and controller, but they’re part of each other, living in a strange loop. [...]

]]> By: The Place of Alts in Virtual Worlds and Second Life: Possession or Expression « Dusan Writer’s Metaverse http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-96 The Place of Alts in Virtual Worlds and Second Life: Possession or Expression « Dusan Writer’s Metaverse Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:21:16 +0000 http://dusanwriter.ca/?p=138#comment-96 [...] and Identity I’ve written at length about the our personal relationships to our avatars, and what I prefer to call the “strange [...] [...] and Identity I’ve written at length about the our personal relationships to our avatars, and what I prefer to call the “strange [...]

]]> By: The Impermanence of the Build: Even in Second Life, Nothing Lasts Forever « Dusan Writer’s Metaverse http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-97 The Impermanence of the Build: Even in Second Life, Nothing Lasts Forever « Dusan Writer’s Metaverse Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:38:55 +0000 http://dusanwriter.ca/?p=138#comment-97 [...] its (occassionally limited) technology is its ability to remind us of deeper meanings. I’ve written at length about the strange loop, and how virtuality circles back to reality. There is a rich vein [...] [...] its (occassionally limited) technology is its ability to remind us of deeper meanings. I’ve written at length about the strange loop, and how virtuality circles back to reality. There is a rich vein [...]

]]> By: paiskidd http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2007/11/08/pais-kidd-and-my-strange-loop-escher-godel-and-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-95 paiskidd Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:59:38 +0000 http://dusanwriter.ca/?p=138#comment-95 Dusan, your surname is most appropriate, you are a deep thinker and a skilled writer. I am most flattered by your reference to my attempt to grapple and make sense of my SL explorations... you took the concepts I was talking about to a level of abstraction I could only point and grunt at from the muddy depths. I think your writings here are of great value and interest to anyone contemplating the impact of virtual worlds, and I strongly encourage you to continue sharing your insights and findings with us here. Dusan, your surname is most appropriate, you are a deep thinker and a skilled writer. I am most flattered by your reference to my attempt to grapple and make sense of my SL explorations… you took the concepts I was talking about to a level of abstraction I could only point and grunt at from the muddy depths.

I think your writings here are of great value and interest to anyone contemplating the impact of virtual worlds, and I strongly encourage you to continue sharing your insights and findings with us here.

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