Comments on: Immersive or Open Spaces: What Tier Are You In? http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:08:27 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: lr http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-21036 lr Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:16:43 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-21036 Question: Since assets built within the SL grid are sold for "peanuts" -lindens- in a corporate sence financially...Chairs, Desks, Clothes, animations..and all fall prey to the "uncertain" LL TOS and IP ownership conumdrum of "usage by users of the service" How what/will/is LL and RRR solution to the "transfer" of IP from the main grid to the Immersive Workspace(Tm) running on second grid technology. We all understood the "issues" of "placing IP" on the LL grid known as Second Life for it's users....but technologies exist to remove content from the SL "3 cent to a dollar" grid, and "place it unknowingly" to the "one dollar equals one dollar grid" for commercial usage by corporations doing dollar/ for dollar business.? lets think a little ahead.;) this is something sure to bite the "laboratory" back on the butt very soon unless proper and ethical not to mention legal solutions are put in place. Lets chat about permissions, licenses, and seperate- private- grids- shall we? or is that secret too?.;) best LR Question:
Since assets built within the SL grid are sold for “peanuts” -lindens- in a corporate sence financially…Chairs, Desks, Clothes, animations..and all fall prey to the “uncertain” LL TOS and IP ownership conumdrum of “usage by users of the service”

How what/will/is LL and RRR solution to the “transfer” of IP from the main grid to the Immersive Workspace(Tm) running on second grid technology.

We all understood the “issues” of “placing IP” on the LL grid known as Second Life for it’s users….but technologies exist to remove content from the SL “3 cent to a dollar” grid, and “place it unknowingly” to the “one dollar equals one dollar grid” for commercial usage by corporations doing dollar/ for dollar business.?

lets think a little ahead.;) this is something sure to bite the “laboratory” back on the butt very soon unless proper and ethical not to mention legal solutions are put in place. Lets chat about permissions, licenses, and seperate- private- grids- shall we?

or is that secret too?.;)

best
LR

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By: If Linden Lab would give the tools to all… | VintFalken.com http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-21024 If Linden Lab would give the tools to all… | VintFalken.com Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:22:53 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-21024 [...] Writer promised us an extended interview regarding Immersive Workspaces with Justin Bovington, CEO of Rivers Run [...] [...] Writer promised us an extended interview regarding Immersive Workspaces with Justin Bovington, CEO of Rivers Run [...]

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By: Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Are Virtual Worlds Ready for Business?: An Interview with Justin Bovington on Immersive Workspaces(TM) http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-21004 Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Are Virtual Worlds Ready for Business?: An Interview with Justin Bovington on Immersive Workspaces(TM) Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:40:51 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-21004 [...] my previous post, I talked about the fact that Immersive Workspaces are separate from the Second Life [...] [...] my previous post, I talked about the fact that Immersive Workspaces are separate from the Second Life [...]

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By: Coughran Mayo http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-20884 Coughran Mayo Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:01:41 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-20884 Dusan wrote: But these sims run separate from the main grid - they don’t show up in search or on the map, the avatar and inventory is not connected to the main grid, etc. They are NOT part of SL. So, for security, my impression is, and based on what Zha said, you can’t cam to them, you can’t find them, you can’t even communicate with the avatars. (And the avatars can’t come to mainland either). === Absolutely correct on all points Dusan, at least from my experience - which is with a separate "estate" completely off the LL grid on a private server (not RRR project or IBM for that matter). This will allow my organization (a non profit) to run a business without naked newcomers, without griefing, without neighbors setting up nextdoor with sights we aren't interested in seeing. More importantly, without rolling restarts, without four hour shutdowns, without arbitrary changes that devalue my property or cause my costs to rise. I have nine sims under development for less that the cost of a single LL island. Assets in SL proper can be transferred over only selectively, but the terraforming and building functions are the same as in SL proper, so most anything that you want to have can be built if you have some basic skills. We encourage our clientele and staff to use the Main Grid, and believe that immersive experience in SL will add to the "reality" of the usage on our GIaB (Grid in a Box), but when its time for staff meetings, or delivering client services, it is great to know we can do it in a much more controlled and stable environment. I think there is plenty of room for both types of platforms, and if LL really hopes to monetize the Immersive Workspaces project, they should know that their clientele may often start as "ordinary" citizens of Second Life (I sure did!). Neglecting the original will surely strangle an important pipeline to this new level of participation! Dusan wrote: But these sims run separate from the main grid – they don’t show up in search or on the map, the avatar and inventory is not connected to the main grid, etc. They are NOT part of SL. So, for security, my impression is, and based on what Zha said, you can’t cam to them, you can’t find them, you can’t even communicate with the avatars. (And the avatars can’t come to mainland either).

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Absolutely correct on all points Dusan, at least from my experience – which is with a separate “estate” completely off the LL grid on a private server (not RRR project or IBM for that matter).

This will allow my organization (a non profit) to run a business without naked newcomers, without griefing, without neighbors setting up nextdoor with sights we aren’t interested in seeing. More importantly, without rolling restarts, without four hour shutdowns, without arbitrary changes that devalue my property or cause my costs to rise.

I have nine sims under development for less that the cost of a single LL island. Assets in SL proper can be transferred over only selectively, but the terraforming and building functions are the same as in SL proper, so most anything that you want to have can be built if you have some basic skills.

We encourage our clientele and staff to use the Main Grid, and believe that immersive experience in SL will add to the “reality” of the usage on our GIaB (Grid in a Box), but when its time for staff meetings, or delivering client services, it is great to know we can do it in a much more controlled and stable environment.

I think there is plenty of room for both types of platforms, and if LL really hopes to monetize the Immersive Workspaces project, they should know that their clientele may often start as “ordinary” citizens of Second Life (I sure did!). Neglecting the original will surely strangle an important pipeline to this new level of participation!

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By: Dusan http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-20879 Dusan Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:43:36 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-20879 RaR: Good points. What I'd say is the following: business is not purchasing a Grid or participating in a world, they're purchasing a solution package with a narrow focus. Whether this is the best long-term strategy for getting business to adopt and then guide them along the value curve is to be proven. Regarding your questions, I'd have to absolutely confirm, but I'm under the following impression: - The service level agreement is different from the main Grid - Invoicing is not by Linden Lab - Customer support is on a per contract basis, but I'm under the impression that RRR offers business hours support which, well, is when their customers are doing business. I think it's a good question for RRR - does Linden Lab pick up "support spillover". - I'm not sure about the asset server. But these sims run separate from the main grid - they don't show up in search or on the map, the avatar and inventory is not connected to the main grid, etc. They are NOT part of SL. So, for security, my impression is, and based on what Zha said, you can't cam to them, you can't find them, you can't even communicate with the avatars. (And the avatars can't come to mainland either). If I had to describe it, I'd hypothesize that the Immersive Workspaces are a completely separate 'rack', or perhaps even hosted client-side in some cases (or could be). They are stand-alone boxes, protected by a firewall, and not connected to any of the SL that you and I might know. - References available on request LOL Justin commented on the brands and their "experiments" in SL. I'll post the full interview later today and let his words speak for themselves. RaR: Good points. What I’d say is the following: business is not purchasing a Grid or participating in a world, they’re purchasing a solution package with a narrow focus. Whether this is the best long-term strategy for getting business to adopt and then guide them along the value curve is to be proven.

Regarding your questions, I’d have to absolutely confirm, but I’m under the following impression:

- The service level agreement is different from the main Grid

- Invoicing is not by Linden Lab

- Customer support is on a per contract basis, but I’m under the impression that RRR offers business hours support which, well, is when their customers are doing business. I think it’s a good question for RRR – does Linden Lab pick up “support spillover”.

- I’m not sure about the asset server. But these sims run separate from the main grid – they don’t show up in search or on the map, the avatar and inventory is not connected to the main grid, etc. They are NOT part of SL. So, for security, my impression is, and based on what Zha said, you can’t cam to them, you can’t find them, you can’t even communicate with the avatars. (And the avatars can’t come to mainland either).

If I had to describe it, I’d hypothesize that the Immersive Workspaces are a completely separate ‘rack’, or perhaps even hosted client-side in some cases (or could be). They are stand-alone boxes, protected by a firewall, and not connected to any of the SL that you and I might know.

- References available on request LOL

Justin commented on the brands and their “experiments” in SL. I’ll post the full interview later today and let his words speak for themselves.

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By: rightasrain http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-20873 rightasrain Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:49:49 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-20873 Dusan--not sure this really makes sense. Why choose Linden Lab as a platform supplier for a private grid? Actually you can do a lot better with other options. Or just wait it out until the Sun Wonderland offering is being hosted. As an enterprise buyer of a private grid solution you would need to look at-- * Service level agreement -- Linden offers nothing * Invoicing -- Linden offers nothing * Customer support -- I assume RRR would provide this, but how much and is it 24/7? * Security -- maybe a "private" grid but is it a private asset server? Who can cam into the sims? What about encryption? * References -- is anyone other than Linden and RRR using this offering and is satisfied? Looks like more of the same hype and vaporware that got SL onto the cover of Newsweek (twice). I hope at least enterprise buyers are more experienced in purchasing mission critical software solutions and won't be herded to slaughter like the brand customers were. Dusan–not sure this really makes sense. Why choose Linden Lab as a platform supplier for a private grid?

Actually you can do a lot better with other options. Or just wait it out until the Sun Wonderland offering is being hosted.

As an enterprise buyer of a private grid solution you would need to look at–

* Service level agreement — Linden offers nothing

* Invoicing — Linden offers nothing

* Customer support — I assume RRR would provide this, but how much and is it 24/7?

* Security — maybe a “private” grid but is it a private asset server? Who can cam into the sims? What about encryption?

* References — is anyone other than Linden and RRR using this offering and is satisfied?

Looks like more of the same hype and vaporware that got SL onto the cover of Newsweek (twice). I hope at least enterprise buyers are more experienced in purchasing mission critical software solutions and won’t be herded to slaughter like the brand customers were.

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By: Void numbers, poetry and thoughts | VintFalken.com http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-20872 Void numbers, poetry and thoughts | VintFalken.com Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:15:47 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-20872 [...] Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Immersive or Open Spaces: What Tier Are You In? sent a pingback on November 4, 2008 [...] [...] Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Immersive or Open Spaces: What Tier Are You In? sent a pingback on November 4, 2008 [...]

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By: Linden Lab has it’s business model ass backwards | VintFalken.com http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-20871 Linden Lab has it’s business model ass backwards | VintFalken.com Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:08:42 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-20871 [...] Dusan Writer on the immersive spaces, and concludes that except for the lousy timing there is no direct connection with the open spaces price increase. Of course, LL needs to choose directions: business, ‘commons’ or both? [...] [...] Dusan Writer on the immersive spaces, and concludes that except for the lousy timing there is no direct connection with the open spaces price increase. Of course, LL needs to choose directions: business, ‘commons’ or both? [...]

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By: Annyka Bekkers http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2008/11/03/virtual-worlds-rivers-run-red-open-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-20863 Annyka Bekkers Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:04:10 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1006#comment-20863 "Because the ‘except’ is that decisions ARE being made now with an eye on two balls" That would sum up my main concern with this. Its not that pushing enterprise use will hurt the grid, but it certainly looks to me like LL has had its eye primarily on that ball for the last year, and is letting the other one drop. Call me regressive, but I'd like to see a focus on Second Life as an entertainment platform. “Because the ‘except’ is that decisions ARE being made now with an eye on two balls”

That would sum up my main concern with this. Its not that pushing enterprise use will hurt the grid, but it certainly looks to me like LL has had its eye primarily on that ball for the last year, and is letting the other one drop.

Call me regressive, but I’d like to see a focus on Second Life as an entertainment platform.

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