Comments on: Australia’s ‘Second Life Ban’: Linden Comments http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:08:27 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: sheri hancroft http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-181111 sheri hancroft Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:59:45 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-181111 i would be prepared to ban all australian products in my home and life if the proposed SL ban is implemented. SL has 16 million member accounts that are active (estimated) and if everyone votes then the small pond will have very choppy waters i would be prepared to ban all australian products in my home and life if the proposed SL ban is implemented. SL has 16 million member accounts that are active (estimated) and if everyone votes then the small pond will have very choppy waters

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By: Linda Truong http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-57492 Linda Truong Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:24:55 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-57492 It’s already happened, I verified my age and everything is there, but I cannot access any adult areas. When I do it crashes the whole SL Client, if I try to login from last location it screws up and crashes until I tell it to go to a PG area… It’s already happened, I verified my age and everything is there, but I cannot access any adult areas.

When I do it crashes the whole SL Client, if I try to login from last location it screws up and crashes until I tell it to go to a PG area…

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By: Alberik Rotaru http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56670 Alberik Rotaru Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:46:44 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56670 Apart from the panic (I was not immune) the really interesting thing is how low SL's profile really is and how high many of us think it is. One respected Australian resident argued that Conroy was going after SL to make his regulatory proposals more acceptable to the senate. I searched the Senate Hansard and found zero, zip, nada mentions of SL in the debates. When I widened my search to the House of Representatives and parliamentary committees I did find a not very serious exchange some years ago in an estimates committee (a process for scrutinising the budget and the performance of government and semi-government agencies) where ABC Island came up and Conroy expressed some not very serious interest in the avatar name used by the ABC chief executive. Estimates is a fairy brutal process where a minister can be before a committee for up to 12 hours at a stretch and they tend to get light-hearted very quickly when they get the chance. That is the totality of the parliament's awareness of SL. We are still a fairly small pond. We may even fit into Philip's terrarium. Apart from the panic (I was not immune) the really interesting thing is how low SL’s profile really is and how high many of us think it is.

One respected Australian resident argued that Conroy was going after SL to make his regulatory proposals more acceptable to the senate. I searched the Senate Hansard and found zero, zip, nada mentions of SL in the debates. When I widened my search to the House of Representatives and parliamentary committees I did find a not very serious exchange some years ago in an estimates committee (a process for scrutinising the budget and the performance of government and semi-government agencies) where ABC Island came up and Conroy expressed some not very serious interest in the avatar name used by the ABC chief executive.

Estimates is a fairy brutal process where a minister can be before a committee for up to 12 hours at a stretch and they tend to get light-hearted very quickly when they get the chance. That is the totality of the parliament’s awareness of SL.

We are still a fairly small pond. We may even fit into Philip’s terrarium.

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By: cube3 http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56523 cube3 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:44:49 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56523 agreed, let a democratic representational system work its voodoo. those who think , vr toys and virtual action figures and barbiedolls should be immune to debate or any thoughts beyond those of a few programmers in california, or their bankers are the true "insert insulting word" forcing the reality of virtuality out into the light of day by democratic means is no problem. it should be the norm, the fact its treated as abnormal, shows the true problems. agreed,
let a democratic representational system work its voodoo.

those who think , vr toys and virtual action figures and barbiedolls should be immune to debate or any thoughts beyond those of a few programmers in california, or their bankers are the true “insert insulting word”

forcing the reality of virtuality out into the light of day by democratic means is no problem.

it should be the norm, the fact its treated as abnormal, shows the true problems.

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By: Prokofy Neva http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56495 Prokofy Neva Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:23:46 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56495 I'm very glad the Australian government is regulating the Internet, social media, and virtual worlds and online games. These are all the proper subject of government regulation in a liberal democratic civil society under the rule of law -- which is the case for Australia. I think it's great that people can propose through the democratic, elected legislative process of representative government ideas for dealing with the huge number of challenges produced by the Internet, social media, and virtual worlds, given their huge capacity for destruction of economies, objective news, free speech, protection of minors, and morals. These are all legitimate areas of democratic governments and have always been throughout time. People who can make the case for the good uses of virtual worlds, or the extention of the protections of free speech affordable in democratic Australia ought to make those arguments through the liberal and democratic process of fact-based scientific peer-reviewed studies, parliamentary hearings, advocacy by interest groups, free media coverage, etc. What they should not be advocating is that "Philip should get the electricity to Australia shut off unless they allow his hedonic nihilist game to play on their territory." That sort of thing opens up entire aveues of questioning about the true nature of virtual worlds and whether they are in fact sinister hijackers of legitimate and democratic sovereignty. If, in the process of this democratic debate about something that only a proposal and a legislative draft about regulation of said virtual worlds, that the world of SL finds that it is banned from schools, let's say, then those who found themselves in the minority, and felt that schools should be able to access BDSM clubs and other objectionable content inappropriate for age groups or mass audiences, will then have to concede that they "lost this one" and have to go back to lobbying for the right to everyone, including themselves, to be able to have the right to see, oh, I dunno, Joshua Nightshade swap spit with Pathfinder Linden. Or whatever it is they feel is edifying for the next generation. We shouldn't construe their loss in this particular democratic legislative battle to regulate virtual worlds to be "censorship" or "draconian control of the Internet" or the other things that hysterics have invoked, which only lets us know how discredited their cause is, as it has been false. I’m very glad the Australian government is regulating the Internet, social media, and virtual worlds and online games.

These are all the proper subject of government regulation in a liberal democratic civil society under the rule of law — which is the case for Australia.

I think it’s great that people can propose through the democratic, elected legislative process of representative government ideas for dealing with the huge number of challenges produced by the Internet, social media, and virtual worlds, given their huge capacity for destruction of economies, objective news, free speech, protection of minors, and morals.

These are all legitimate areas of democratic governments and have always been throughout time.

People who can make the case for the good uses of virtual worlds, or the extention of the protections of free speech affordable in democratic Australia ought to make those arguments through the liberal and democratic process of fact-based scientific peer-reviewed studies, parliamentary hearings, advocacy by interest groups, free media coverage, etc.

What they should not be advocating is that “Philip should get the electricity to Australia shut off unless they allow his hedonic nihilist game to play on their territory.”

That sort of thing opens up entire aveues of questioning about the true nature of virtual worlds and whether they are in fact sinister hijackers of legitimate and democratic sovereignty.

If, in the process of this democratic debate about something that only a proposal and a legislative draft about regulation of said virtual worlds, that the world of SL finds that it is banned from schools, let’s say, then those who found themselves in the minority, and felt that schools should be able to access BDSM clubs and other objectionable content inappropriate for age groups or mass audiences, will then have to concede that they “lost this one” and have to go back to lobbying for the right to everyone, including themselves, to be able to have the right to see, oh, I dunno, Joshua Nightshade swap spit with Pathfinder Linden. Or whatever it is they feel is edifying for the next generation.

We shouldn’t construe their loss in this particular democratic legislative battle to regulate virtual worlds to be “censorship” or “draconian control of the Internet” or the other things that hysterics have invoked, which only lets us know how discredited their cause is, as it has been false.

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By: William http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56379 William Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:57:46 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56379 I'm and Aussie and I'm not at all impressed with our government's bizarre laws they are introducing. Nothing is surprising here any more. For instance, as of July 1 a new law came into effect where you can only purchase cigarettes from ONE checkout - it is illegal to sell cigarettes at another cash register but one designated. Does this make any sense? Welcome to Australia - the new Communist country downunder! They are trying to take away all our rights!!! I’m and Aussie and I’m not at all impressed with our government’s bizarre laws they are introducing. Nothing is surprising here any more. For instance, as of July 1 a new law came into effect where you can only purchase cigarettes from ONE checkout – it is illegal to sell cigarettes at another cash register but one designated. Does this make any sense? Welcome to Australia – the new Communist country downunder! They are trying to take away all our rights!!!

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By: Alberik Rotaru http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56249 Alberik Rotaru Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:11:33 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56249 Worse than the danger to the electricity network and terrariums, what if he told Conjob about all those little people in the phone? Worse than the danger to the electricity network and terrariums, what if he told Conjob about all those little people in the phone?

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By: Dusan http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56195 Dusan Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:36:27 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56195 The idea is to lull, calm, Zen-ify. The idea is to lull, calm, Zen-ify.

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By: Crap Mariner http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56184 Crap Mariner Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:23:42 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56184 Sending Phil down to Australia to talk... you're not trying to put an entire continent to sleep, are you? -ls/cm Sending Phil down to Australia to talk… you’re not trying to put an entire continent to sleep, are you?

-ls/cm

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By: Lowell Cremorne http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/06/30/australias-second-life-ban-linden-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-56093 Lowell Cremorne Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:48:13 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1283#comment-56093 Send him down I say, though Alberik makes some good points ;) Send him down I say, though Alberik makes some good points ;)

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