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		<title>By: Bryn Oh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryn Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAR my point is that if the Black Swan sim was copied it means you unwittingly copied work I had there which was not purchased by Rezzable.  I don&#039;t think you intentionally took them, I imagine you expected everything on the sim to belong to you and that is quite reasonable.  But legally I don&#039;t imagine that saying you didn&#039;t know would hold up.  Then again perhaps it would I really don&#039;t know.  But giving this tool out would likely cause a rash of LindenLab freezing of accounts and worse as people copied whole sims which belonged to them, yet contained objects which were purchased &quot;no copy&quot; thus breaking the original agreement upon sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAR my point is that if the Black Swan sim was copied it means you unwittingly copied work I had there which was not purchased by Rezzable.  I don&#8217;t think you intentionally took them, I imagine you expected everything on the sim to belong to you and that is quite reasonable.  But legally I don&#8217;t imagine that saying you didn&#8217;t know would hold up.  Then again perhaps it would I really don&#8217;t know.  But giving this tool out would likely cause a rash of LindenLab freezing of accounts and worse as people copied whole sims which belonged to them, yet contained objects which were purchased &#8220;no copy&#8221; thus breaking the original agreement upon sale.</p>
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		<title>By: cube3</title>
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		<dc:creator>cube3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seem that those who keep coding/ and evangelizing such &quot;neutral tools&quot; for &quot;experimental economic&quot; social release on the global web should check their math.

It does seem today that 3 wrongs DO equal 1 Right.

If this is not desired. Fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seem that those who keep coding/ and evangelizing such &#8220;neutral tools&#8221; for &#8220;experimental economic&#8221; social release on the global web should check their math.</p>
<p>It does seem today that 3 wrongs DO equal 1 Right.</p>
<p>If this is not desired. Fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: rightasrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightasrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bryn -- thanks. Nice to speculate and call us thieves. I don&#039;t understand why if you have a concern you wouldn&#039;t contact us and discuss. Is piling onto a mob really what you are about? I don&#039;t think so. You are one of the most talented people working in SL and while I expect spew from many I would have hope for a lot more from you. Don&#039;t get sucked into the darkness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bryn &#8212; thanks. Nice to speculate and call us thieves. I don&#8217;t understand why if you have a concern you wouldn&#8217;t contact us and discuss. Is piling onto a mob really what you are about? I don&#8217;t think so. You are one of the most talented people working in SL and while I expect spew from many I would have hope for a lot more from you. Don&#8217;t get sucked into the darkness.</p>
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		<title>By: cube3</title>
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		<dc:creator>cube3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received a inworld SL notecard and a transcript from a &quot;group that cannot be named;)&quot; 
It seems the below comments made, that clearly are my professional and personal point of view toward the actions of others has caused the need for more clarifications from those who decide to create other &quot;suggested&quot; but &quot;non authoritative or sanctioned&quot; positions over others.

As the below repost clearly shows, I asked for no unilateral actions to be taken toward ANY PARTY, except POSSIBLY MYSELF in terms of a public listing.

IF only ASKING for Feedback and SUGGESTING actions is good for the Rezzable Goose, then I assume I&#039;m fine and Gander.

c3

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“It’s the same mentality that goes into terrorism”
Frankly it is.

Bettina- since you want to invoke heaven and hell;)I suggest more pragmatism.

if you want to find a non diety “purpose” to “our” group. Then call for a voteable “sanction” or “tossing” of Rezzable within our group, Their website posted “argument” for a “release” 2 is offensive and if released as is - destructive to many who create IP as a profession and whom participate in an economy of the c/m/t managnemt system of IP online.

IP expressed in SL DRM is the(a) core of the NPIRL group, is it not?.;)

Ill assume after all this, Rezable will copy the DRM system of SecondInventory or decide NOT to release as zais has in the current described product form. Then at best this will appear as a failed “promotion” for a “new” 100$ product that has some needs for some. but also has competing products with the same proper backup capabilities.

Either way. FEAR and the threat of Extortion should not be permitted to be “proper” PR for any ethical creative group member. should it?

your group. my suggestion.:)
others in the group should voice their opions as well…if the attitudes voiced by RAR are dominant, please remove my name from the group.

back to the show

c3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a inworld SL notecard and a transcript from a &#8220;group that cannot be named;)&#8221;<br />
It seems the below comments made, that clearly are my professional and personal point of view toward the actions of others has caused the need for more clarifications from those who decide to create other &#8220;suggested&#8221; but &#8220;non authoritative or sanctioned&#8221; positions over others.</p>
<p>As the below repost clearly shows, I asked for no unilateral actions to be taken toward ANY PARTY, except POSSIBLY MYSELF in terms of a public listing.</p>
<p>IF only ASKING for Feedback and SUGGESTING actions is good for the Rezzable Goose, then I assume I&#8217;m fine and Gander.</p>
<p>c3</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>“It’s the same mentality that goes into terrorism”<br />
Frankly it is.</p>
<p>Bettina- since you want to invoke heaven and hell;)I suggest more pragmatism.</p>
<p>if you want to find a non diety “purpose” to “our” group. Then call for a voteable “sanction” or “tossing” of Rezzable within our group, Their website posted “argument” for a “release” 2 is offensive and if released as is &#8211; destructive to many who create IP as a profession and whom participate in an economy of the c/m/t managnemt system of IP online.</p>
<p>IP expressed in SL DRM is the(a) core of the NPIRL group, is it not?.;)</p>
<p>Ill assume after all this, Rezable will copy the DRM system of SecondInventory or decide NOT to release as zais has in the current described product form. Then at best this will appear as a failed “promotion” for a “new” 100$ product that has some needs for some. but also has competing products with the same proper backup capabilities.</p>
<p>Either way. FEAR and the threat of Extortion should not be permitted to be “proper” PR for any ethical creative group member. should it?</p>
<p>your group. my suggestion.:)<br />
others in the group should voice their opions as well…if the attitudes voiced by RAR are dominant, please remove my name from the group.</p>
<p>back to the show</p>
<p>c3</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xugu Madison follows all the opensouce extremist candards on this discussion:

o your goal is not 100  percent deterrence, but better deterrence than we have now, so you do what you can and don&#039;t give up due to lack of 100  percent closeability

o no one has demonstrated that such authenticating makes servers load slower or slows down the entire grid -- this is one of those urban legends that code kiddies tell without any scientific proof &quot;just because&quot;. WoW does this and WoW doesn&#039;t lag lol

o er, WoW does this, and it doesn&#039;t have to hire thousands of coders, or somehow cripple itself to get the job done. It collects $15.95 from every player per month, it has 18 million users, it gets the job down. We need to stop hearing incessantly from whiney kids about how this can&#039;t be done and is technologically impossible, and start assembling the data to make it possible and convince the Lindens

o they are hobbled by the Stallmanites in their own ranks and are split themselves -- and Rob Linden tiresomely making long arguments on the wiki as to why you can&#039;t do this, driven by his opensource ideology, has to be overridded so that other voices with alternatives can not only be heard, but try these things out 

o Dale Innis and Zha Ewry need to be muted, as they continue to interrupt this conversation from the hugely powerful position of the hugely self-interested IBM, and that needs to be stopped - -get their pressure out of this discussion so it can be had free of ideology, greed, and politics, to the extent possible to verify its technical points

o there is nothing wrong with experimenting and trying different things. 

o I find it the height of hypocrisy for Rezzable and their groupies to claim that it&#039;s ok to let ripping code into the wilds like this because nobody will be smart enough to use it much as it&#039;s too technical, and yet not apply the very same principle of technical obfuscation to make it possible so fewer people DO steal. It&#039;s the biggest hold in their argument and I would keep accentuating it

o stop looking to the music industry for justification of Stallmanism, as it isn&#039;t even being portrayed correctly. Last time I looked you still have to pay for i-tunes that you can&#039;t just download for free. It may have been reasonable to remove DRM from the equations these companies had to deal with, where they had captive audiences with their i-pods dominating the market anyway, and where the issue was enabling the user to make multiple copies to different devices

WE DON&#039;T HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN SECOND LIFE BECAUSE YOU CAN ENDLESSLY COPY BUT STILL KEEP DRM NOT TO TRANSFER DUH.

I had that epiphany myself literally in the last week as I reflected on it, and it shows that once you start thinking about this problem freely, without the cant of the opensource shill, you begin to find your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xugu Madison follows all the opensouce extremist candards on this discussion:</p>
<p>o your goal is not 100  percent deterrence, but better deterrence than we have now, so you do what you can and don&#8217;t give up due to lack of 100  percent closeability</p>
<p>o no one has demonstrated that such authenticating makes servers load slower or slows down the entire grid &#8212; this is one of those urban legends that code kiddies tell without any scientific proof &#8220;just because&#8221;. WoW does this and WoW doesn&#8217;t lag lol</p>
<p>o er, WoW does this, and it doesn&#8217;t have to hire thousands of coders, or somehow cripple itself to get the job done. It collects $15.95 from every player per month, it has 18 million users, it gets the job down. We need to stop hearing incessantly from whiney kids about how this can&#8217;t be done and is technologically impossible, and start assembling the data to make it possible and convince the Lindens</p>
<p>o they are hobbled by the Stallmanites in their own ranks and are split themselves &#8212; and Rob Linden tiresomely making long arguments on the wiki as to why you can&#8217;t do this, driven by his opensource ideology, has to be overridded so that other voices with alternatives can not only be heard, but try these things out </p>
<p>o Dale Innis and Zha Ewry need to be muted, as they continue to interrupt this conversation from the hugely powerful position of the hugely self-interested IBM, and that needs to be stopped &#8211; -get their pressure out of this discussion so it can be had free of ideology, greed, and politics, to the extent possible to verify its technical points</p>
<p>o there is nothing wrong with experimenting and trying different things. </p>
<p>o I find it the height of hypocrisy for Rezzable and their groupies to claim that it&#8217;s ok to let ripping code into the wilds like this because nobody will be smart enough to use it much as it&#8217;s too technical, and yet not apply the very same principle of technical obfuscation to make it possible so fewer people DO steal. It&#8217;s the biggest hold in their argument and I would keep accentuating it</p>
<p>o stop looking to the music industry for justification of Stallmanism, as it isn&#8217;t even being portrayed correctly. Last time I looked you still have to pay for i-tunes that you can&#8217;t just download for free. It may have been reasonable to remove DRM from the equations these companies had to deal with, where they had captive audiences with their i-pods dominating the market anyway, and where the issue was enabling the user to make multiple copies to different devices</p>
<p>WE DON&#8217;T HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN SECOND LIFE BECAUSE YOU CAN ENDLESSLY COPY BUT STILL KEEP DRM NOT TO TRANSFER DUH.</p>
<p>I had that epiphany myself literally in the last week as I reflected on it, and it shows that once you start thinking about this problem freely, without the cant of the opensource shill, you begin to find your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Jopsy, if you think it&#039;s ok that everything you made in the past can be copied, please put your entire inventory out on your lawn set permless for me to pick up, kthxbye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Jopsy, if you think it&#8217;s ok that everything you made in the past can be copied, please put your entire inventory out on your lawn set permless for me to pick up, kthxbye</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jopsy, here we go again with the fake march of fake vintage media analogies, courtesty of Internet memes and Clay Shirky.

Each one of those forms of media didn&#039;t &quot;disappear&quot; but remained, and was built upon.

Each next form of media began exactly following the format of the previous one and not realizing the full capacity. Why does Walter Conkrite sound so sonorous? Because he&#039;s reading for radio, he doesn&#039;t yet realize he&#039;s on TV (in the early days) and it sticks.

Each one of these media formats copies earlier formats, but the idea that one puts the other out of business belongs only to our age. The person who drove the horse and buggy moved over to driving the car -- he merely had less horseshit to clean up now. The horses were ridden more for pleasure or sent to the glue factory but no one was put out of business. The saddle maker could make bucket seats.

No artist lost his job because photography came on the scene; portrait arists and painters remain to this day.

Nothing that you say is in fact true. Media does not displace other media, and even when it does, it doesn&#039;t  put people out of work UNLESS you are Clay Shirky and say it should, or unless you are 101 other geek bolsheviks claiming that everything except their consulting fees and government grants should be liberated.

Nobody &quot;yells and screams&quot; when technology changes because it doesn&#039;t move as fast as you came. The newspapers are still in their newstands. I still pick up letters at the mail box, and there are still people taking buggy rides in the city where I live. 

When people want to portray technology as &quot;accelerating&quot; or &quot;putting somebody out of business&quot; it&#039;s usually because they want more power for their own class of people and want to egg on something that isn&#039;t in fact accelerating as they&#039;d like.

Yes, journalists have been thrown out of work. They found jobs in government, PR, and education where maybe they belonged all along. 

The idea that we&#039;re supposed to create, and just let creations be ripped and then just make new stuff is some gerbil-on-a-wheel idea that some corporation has saddled you with. We need do nothing of the kind. There are tools to stop theft. There are policies that can be put in place. Man up, and stop demanding that other people be put out of business so that you can gloat about your techocommunist theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jopsy, here we go again with the fake march of fake vintage media analogies, courtesty of Internet memes and Clay Shirky.</p>
<p>Each one of those forms of media didn&#8217;t &#8220;disappear&#8221; but remained, and was built upon.</p>
<p>Each next form of media began exactly following the format of the previous one and not realizing the full capacity. Why does Walter Conkrite sound so sonorous? Because he&#8217;s reading for radio, he doesn&#8217;t yet realize he&#8217;s on TV (in the early days) and it sticks.</p>
<p>Each one of these media formats copies earlier formats, but the idea that one puts the other out of business belongs only to our age. The person who drove the horse and buggy moved over to driving the car &#8212; he merely had less horseshit to clean up now. The horses were ridden more for pleasure or sent to the glue factory but no one was put out of business. The saddle maker could make bucket seats.</p>
<p>No artist lost his job because photography came on the scene; portrait arists and painters remain to this day.</p>
<p>Nothing that you say is in fact true. Media does not displace other media, and even when it does, it doesn&#8217;t  put people out of work UNLESS you are Clay Shirky and say it should, or unless you are 101 other geek bolsheviks claiming that everything except their consulting fees and government grants should be liberated.</p>
<p>Nobody &#8220;yells and screams&#8221; when technology changes because it doesn&#8217;t move as fast as you came. The newspapers are still in their newstands. I still pick up letters at the mail box, and there are still people taking buggy rides in the city where I live. </p>
<p>When people want to portray technology as &#8220;accelerating&#8221; or &#8220;putting somebody out of business&#8221; it&#8217;s usually because they want more power for their own class of people and want to egg on something that isn&#8217;t in fact accelerating as they&#8217;d like.</p>
<p>Yes, journalists have been thrown out of work. They found jobs in government, PR, and education where maybe they belonged all along. </p>
<p>The idea that we&#8217;re supposed to create, and just let creations be ripped and then just make new stuff is some gerbil-on-a-wheel idea that some corporation has saddled you with. We need do nothing of the kind. There are tools to stop theft. There are policies that can be put in place. Man up, and stop demanding that other people be put out of business so that you can gloat about your techocommunist theories.</p>
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		<title>By: cube3</title>
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		<dc:creator>cube3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is &quot;amazing&quot; how the &quot;tech&quot; attacks made on IP are targeted mostly toward &quot;copyright&quot;, while software &quot;process patents&quot; pay for it all.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is &#8220;amazing&#8221; how the &#8220;tech&#8221; attacks made on IP are targeted mostly toward &#8220;copyright&#8221;, while software &#8220;process patents&#8221; pay for it all.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryn Oh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryn Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Black Swan sim there is a tower build I created for Rezzable.  They have full mod rights to the tower yet at a later time I placed some of my own works in the build which was not part of the sale, but placed because it improved the build.  I didn&#039;t mind just leaving it there as its ownership would remain mine allowing me to remove it should I ever wish to.  It sounds like Black Swan sim has now been copied including those builds that were not sold to Rezzable.  It could be argued that this is the first theft to be done with that script.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Black Swan sim there is a tower build I created for Rezzable.  They have full mod rights to the tower yet at a later time I placed some of my own works in the build which was not part of the sale, but placed because it improved the build.  I didn&#8217;t mind just leaving it there as its ownership would remain mine allowing me to remove it should I ever wish to.  It sounds like Black Swan sim has now been copied including those builds that were not sold to Rezzable.  It could be argued that this is the first theft to be done with that script.</p>
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		<title>By: Jopsy Pendragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jopsy Pendragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh, I proofread twice and still junk slips through.

... &quot;they merely create a pale imitation of that which they wish [they] could have created themselves.  It is &#039;time&#039; we should fear, not rippers.  So what if someone copies something we did in the past... it&#039;s what we create NEXT that matters most.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh, I proofread twice and still junk slips through.</p>
<p>&#8230; &#8220;they merely create a pale imitation of that which they wish [they] could have created themselves.  It is &#8216;time&#8217; we should fear, not rippers.  So what if someone copies something we did in the past&#8230; it&#8217;s what we create NEXT that matters most.&#8221;</p>
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