Comments on: Linden Lab Seeking New PR Agency – What Do You Want to See? http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:27:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Doctorset http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-119038 Doctorset Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:55:24 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-119038 This is the welcome page for the dentaldoctor.us Association web site. This is the welcome page for the dentaldoctor.us Association web site.

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By: Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Linden Lab Selects PR Firm? http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-118285 Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Linden Lab Selects PR Firm? Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:16:11 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-118285 [...] for my own thoughts on what they should be doing, read my previous post on the PR selection process, which was supposed to be all hush-hush, but hey). Tagged: Linden [...] [...] for my own thoughts on what they should be doing, read my previous post on the PR selection process, which was supposed to be all hush-hush, but hey). Tagged: Linden [...]

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By: Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Linden Lab at War: Virtual Worlds and Human Technology http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-113068 Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Linden Lab at War: Virtual Worlds and Human Technology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:10:23 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-113068 [...] just to keep things interesting. See, the troops are being reinforced….they have a new PR agency coming, a new VP of Marketing in the works, the new VP of Web Development they hired a ways back, Tom Hale [...] [...] just to keep things interesting. See, the troops are being reinforced….they have a new PR agency coming, a new VP of Marketing in the works, the new VP of Web Development they hired a ways back, Tom Hale [...]

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By: Dusan http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-99194 Dusan Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:34:39 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-99194 @Adric - can there really be an upper limit to how much of Canada one person can handle? Wow. @Prok - couldn't agree more. I'm tired of reading about SL in the Standard and the Guardian (which, sure, is UK and so on....and it's great to have a few advocates at these kinds of outlets, but we really need to get out of the techy box). As for advertising - yes, yes, yes. I wonder if they're waiting for the new viewer? And why don't they have SL kits in Best Buy yet? @Adric – can there really be an upper limit to how much of Canada one person can handle? Wow.

@Prok – couldn’t agree more. I’m tired of reading about SL in the Standard and the Guardian (which, sure, is UK and so on….and it’s great to have a few advocates at these kinds of outlets, but we really need to get out of the techy box).

As for advertising – yes, yes, yes. I wonder if they’re waiting for the new viewer? And why don’t they have SL kits in Best Buy yet?

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By: Prokofy Neva http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-99097 Prokofy Neva Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:55:38 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-99097 My advice would be to move more PR functions back inhouse. I think in the days when they had Catherine Smith and other actual Lindens do more of the press placement they got better pieces. In fact Catherine used to do far more placement of media interviews with various residents than Lewis ever has -- especialy once she was freed up to move out the wellworn FIC rolladex. Lewis' idea of fun seems to be to organize a lot of articles on...religion in SL...to counteract what they see as too much hype about sex in SL. I'm trying to think of any major story for which Lewis could take credit, and I'm not getting any. LL has a huge liability in Google news readers, because the phrase "second life" is almost always about a second life taken in a car accident or a double amputee getting a second life with donated limbs. There's a lot to overcome there and they often supply their own copy of an accident going somewhere to happen with their policies like the homesteads stuff and Zindra. But you can't supplant good working and knowledgeable press contacts with hype off prefabricated press releases. LL needs to get out of San Francisco and California where the mass media isn't, and away from the tech media, which is both cruel and sometimes overly adulatory. They have a lot of their positive coverage coming out of the New York Times, which is a miracle and one they can't even take credit for. So they should work with a New York or Washington (or both) firm that puts them into the East Coast and international media with more thinky stories and art and culture stories. Education is a dead horse now and should just be left to be covered by the educational sims themselves in their local media. And the thinky pieces I mean are just the predictable stories about how fabulous it is that they raised money for relay-for-life or Beth Noveck appeared in SL again (ugh) but more about the social and psychological and political dynamics of virtual worlds as prototypers, incubators, etc. On the other hand, to be honest, I think the gap between their culture and the rest of the world (especially here in NYC) is so great that they can't paper it over with PR. The Lindens also need to make up their minds about why they aren't advertising in magazines, gaming blogs, TV, etc. Is this a concurrency problem or what? I mean, do they want new customers or not? They need to bite down on that one hard and not let the coders' predilections for holding up progress on stability with ever-new not-wanted features (like bulk permissions) stop them from upping concurrency if they can. My advice would be to move more PR functions back inhouse. I think in the days when they had Catherine Smith and other actual Lindens do more of the press placement they got better pieces. In fact Catherine used to do far more placement of media interviews with various residents than Lewis ever has — especialy once she was freed up to move out the wellworn FIC rolladex.

Lewis’ idea of fun seems to be to organize a lot of articles on…religion in SL…to counteract what they see as too much hype about sex in SL.

I’m trying to think of any major story for which Lewis could take credit, and I’m not getting any.

LL has a huge liability in Google news readers, because the phrase “second life” is almost always about a second life taken in a car accident or a double amputee getting a second life with donated limbs. There’s a lot to overcome there and they often supply their own copy of an accident going somewhere to happen with their policies like the homesteads stuff and Zindra.

But you can’t supplant good working and knowledgeable press contacts with hype off prefabricated press releases.

LL needs to get out of San Francisco and California where the mass media isn’t, and away from the tech media, which is both cruel and sometimes overly adulatory. They have a lot of their positive coverage coming out of the New York Times, which is a miracle and one they can’t even take credit for. So they should work with a New York or Washington (or both) firm that puts them into the East Coast and international media with more thinky stories and art and culture stories. Education is a dead horse now and should just be left to be covered by the educational sims themselves in their local media.

And the thinky pieces I mean are just the predictable stories about how fabulous it is that they raised money for relay-for-life or Beth Noveck appeared in SL again (ugh) but more about the social and psychological and political dynamics of virtual worlds as prototypers, incubators, etc.

On the other hand, to be honest, I think the gap between their culture and the rest of the world (especially here in NYC) is so great that they can’t paper it over with PR.

The Lindens also need to make up their minds about why they aren’t advertising in magazines, gaming blogs, TV, etc. Is this a concurrency problem or what? I mean, do they want new customers or not? They need to bite down on that one hard and not let the coders’ predilections for holding up progress on stability with ever-new not-wanted features (like bulk permissions) stop them from upping concurrency if they can.

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By: Freda Fredriksson http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-98642 Freda Fredriksson Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:36:47 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-98642 great suggestions! Clear words, lets entertain hopes for a major changing great suggestions! Clear words, lets entertain hopes for a major changing

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By: Adric Antfarm http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-98516 Adric Antfarm Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:02:54 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-98516 I don't know how to word this... PR that gets across when I mention Second Life to a friend they don't think I am... a freak? I connect with fellow vets, with people around the world, people who disagree with me, people who enlighten me, etc... It's not WoW and I so want people to see that. The big thing I have taken from SL is I am ignorant on a lot of things (most) around the world and all I needed was to talk to someone in a different place to get that.... My good friend in Sweden has so opened my eyes to things I was thinking about from the USA view that I know were a bit off (now). Now, as for AO (area of operation you civie dirt bags), when I pay 23 a quarter + 8 a month I don't expect someone to drop to their knees, but three+ days for a support ticket is not working. JIRA is broken as well. I never post there because (and I hate to sound like a pussy) there are bullies I don't want to risk a ban over because I will go off something awful. Pull Mark back. I've got videos of Mark and Papa Phil speaking. It's sad, but Marky Mark can not get anything across and Phil is like talking to my stoned nephew and his dreams. Let's see a residents counsel (like that toothless body we saw in that film Hamlet pushed in Metaplace - EVO?? -- someone please correct me). I don't why Linden doesn't make use of the pretty smart blogs like... (Ugh this hurts) this one at times. Okay, no more... I've already watched Degrassi:TNG this week and Dusan is overloading my great white north fund. I don’t know how to word this…

PR that gets across when I mention Second Life to a friend they don’t think I am… a freak? I connect with fellow vets, with people around the world, people who disagree with me, people who enlighten me, etc… It’s not WoW and I so want people to see that.

The big thing I have taken from SL is I am ignorant on a lot of things (most) around the world and all I needed was to talk to someone in a different place to get that…. My good friend in Sweden has so opened my eyes to things I was thinking about from the USA view that I know were a bit off (now).

Now, as for AO (area of operation you civie dirt bags), when I pay 23 a quarter + 8 a month I don’t expect someone to drop to their knees, but three+ days for a support ticket is not working. JIRA is broken as well. I never post there because (and I hate to sound like a pussy) there are bullies I don’t want to risk a ban over because I will go off something awful.

Pull Mark back. I’ve got videos of Mark and Papa Phil speaking. It’s sad, but Marky Mark can not get anything across and Phil is like talking to my stoned nephew and his dreams. Let’s see a residents counsel (like that toothless body we saw in that film Hamlet pushed in Metaplace – EVO?? — someone please correct me).

I don’t why Linden doesn’t make use of the pretty smart blogs like… (Ugh this hurts) this one at times.

Okay, no more… I’ve already watched Degrassi:TNG this week and Dusan is overloading my great white north fund.

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By: Tateru Nino http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-98489 Tateru Nino Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:35:37 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-98489 I'm with Mal. Six-to-eight months isn't a good response time, and I've had worse than that from them. I’m with Mal. Six-to-eight months isn’t a good response time, and I’ve had worse than that from them.

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By: Robert Bloomfield/Beyers Sellers http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-98416 Robert Bloomfield/Beyers Sellers Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:57 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-98416 Second Life has some interesting parallels to a university. We have PR folks whose job is partly to cover university-level news, and partly to arrange for faculty to get into the news. They interview faculty, identify research and consulting interests, and then link up faculty with press who would be interested in covering particular topics. I would think Linden Lab could do something similar....just replace 'faculty' with 'residents'. Second Life has some interesting parallels to a university. We have PR folks whose job is partly to cover university-level news, and partly to arrange for faculty to get into the news. They interview faculty, identify research and consulting interests, and then link up faculty with press who would be interested in covering particular topics.

I would think Linden Lab could do something similar….just replace ‘faculty’ with ‘residents’.

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By: Toxic Menges http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/09/28/linden-lab-seeking-new-pr-agency-what-do-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-98407 Toxic Menges Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:15:35 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1384#comment-98407 I'd like them to showcase the amazing content creation that is going on - within resident and corporate communities. Examples of what is possible is infinitely better to give people and business the spur to see what they themselves can achieve. Culturally, LL need to have a much better dialogue with their customers ( I use the word customer rather than resident in this case, as I want to imprint the importance of resident fiscal contributions to the company). By doing this they will set a precedent for their PR firm to follow. Even the best PR firm can only take their lead from the company that they are contracted to work for. If LL fail on the cultural shift they need to make in order to better interface and engage with their customers/residents, then their PR agency won't be able to do any better. I’d like them to showcase the amazing content creation that is going on – within resident and corporate communities. Examples of what is possible is infinitely better to give people and business the spur to see what they themselves can achieve.

Culturally, LL need to have a much better dialogue with their customers ( I use the word customer rather than resident in this case, as I want to imprint the importance of resident fiscal contributions to the company). By doing this they will set a precedent for their PR firm to follow.

Even the best PR firm can only take their lead from the company that they are contracted to work for. If LL fail on the cultural shift they need to make in order to better interface and engage with their customers/residents, then their PR agency won’t be able to do any better.

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