Comments on: Teen Grid Merger with Second Life NOT Imminent (Update) http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:29:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dusan http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108593 Dusan Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:44:11 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108593 Post updated above. :) Post updated above. :)

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By: Ari Blackthorne http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108463 Ari Blackthorne Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:04:47 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108463 Other than cleaning-up the grid; a.k.a. "Adult rating" - what are they waiting for? http://commonsensible.net/2009/09/flame-me-burn-me-kill-me-just-don-eat.html Other than cleaning-up the grid; a.k.a. “Adult rating” – what are they waiting for?

http://commonsensible.net/2009/09/flame-me-burn-me-kill-me-just-don-eat.html

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By: Alberik Rotaru http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108458 Alberik Rotaru Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:54:24 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108458 <i> the potential of allaying the (justifiable)fears of parents and stewards of our children, more than any configurations of grid crossings</i> Unfortunately, I'd contend that the Teen Grid is about allaying fears rather than actually achieving anything. The Teen Grid would not be the first child protection policy that was directed to allaying fear rather than protecting children. I seriously doubt anything like the majority of Second teenagers are on the Teen Grid. LL offers teenagers a choice. Go through a rigourous documentation procedure and live on an economically crippled and socially isolated grid, or register an anonymous account and have a blast. You would not have to be too much of a cynic to pick which option most teens would choose. I doubt that either payment info or age verification offer much of a challenge either. Moreover, because LL goes through the motions of separating teenagers on their own grid, while actually admitting them to the adult grid in large numbers, LL can then excuse itself from further responsibility because they can point to their separate protected zone. the potential of allaying the (justifiable)fears of parents and stewards of our children, more than any configurations of grid crossings

Unfortunately, I’d contend that the Teen Grid is about allaying fears rather than actually achieving anything. The Teen Grid would not be the first child protection policy that was directed to allaying fear rather than protecting children. I seriously doubt anything like the majority of Second teenagers are on the Teen Grid.

LL offers teenagers a choice. Go through a rigourous documentation procedure and live on an economically crippled and socially isolated grid, or register an anonymous account and have a blast. You would not have to be too much of a cynic to pick which option most teens would choose. I doubt that either payment info or age verification offer much of a challenge either.

Moreover, because LL goes through the motions of separating teenagers on their own grid, while actually admitting them to the adult grid in large numbers, LL can then excuse itself from further responsibility because they can point to their separate protected zone.

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By: DagnyT Dagger http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108449 DagnyT Dagger Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:08:08 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108449 It's gonna happen. Kingdon has already said that was a vision for the future of SL in an interview back in...I think...May or earlier. About a month before the Zindra thing was announced. So, according to the PR dept. where do we come up with these things? Uhm...from your CEO? Plus, it's only common sense. I wish they would slice of the adult content folks into their own grid. That makes much more sense than having a teen grid. It’s gonna happen. Kingdon has already said that was a vision for the future of SL in an interview back in…I think…May or earlier. About a month before the Zindra thing was announced. So, according to the PR dept. where do we come up with these things? Uhm…from your CEO? Plus, it’s only common sense. I wish they would slice of the adult content folks into their own grid. That makes much more sense than having a teen grid.

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By: Worried Avi http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108431 Worried Avi Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:32:50 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108431 Umm won't they need to untick the adult boxes on places search, type in words like 'sex' and clean up all those PG and mature rated places touting sex before the teens get here. I'm all for a busier grid, and I've got my mute button handy....It will be a crazy move if it happens Umm won’t they need to untick the adult boxes on places search, type in words like ’sex’ and clean up all those PG and mature rated places touting sex before the teens get here.

I’m all for a busier grid, and I’ve got my mute button handy….It will be a crazy move if it happens

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By: Daniel Regenbogen http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108259 Daniel Regenbogen Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:59:03 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108259 During the hot days of the adult policy change and Zindra birth, I wrote a blog entry about what *I* would have recommended LL instead of this red light district - including an idea for a kind of semi-merge of TG and MG: *.*.* - Don’t make Zindra a place where those who want to establish or see adult (or rather mature, if you keep the old classification) content have to locate to – make it exactly the other way around! Make Zindra a PG only continent where those who don’t want to encounter anything mature or adult can have their home, business or educational institution. Wouldn’t the existance of such a continent look much better in the public eye than a giant red light district? Of course it would be necessary to make sure that the PG rules are followed by everyone and everywhere there. Now my fantasy goes even further. Philip Rosedales dream is, to one fine day merge the Teen and the Main Grid. There are very good reasons to not do that – but also some very good reasons why todays hard separation is sub-optimal. The Teen grid has a suffering economy (no wonder with such a limited customer base), someone who transfers from TG to MG when he turns 18 loses all contacts to the friends he made over years in the TG, RL parents can’t enjoy SL together with their RL kids and so on. Now, if Zindra was made the place I would like it to be, it also could be a mixed area. TG residents (who would be marked as exactly that) could go there, have a business there offering their creations to a much broader market or visit educational institutions. Former TG residents who got to old for TG could meet their old friends there and stay in contact with them. RL parents could spend time together with their RL kids in Second Life. *.*.* But knowing LL, *if* there will be a merge, it will be done in the most catastrophic way possible. During the hot days of the adult policy change and Zindra birth, I wrote a blog entry about what *I* would have recommended LL instead of this red light district – including an idea for a kind of semi-merge of TG and MG:

*.*.*
- Don’t make Zindra a place where those who want to establish or see adult (or rather mature, if you keep the old classification) content have to locate to – make it exactly the other way around! Make Zindra a PG only continent where those who don’t want to encounter anything mature or adult can have their home, business or educational institution. Wouldn’t the existance of such a continent look much better in the public eye than a giant red light district? Of course it would be necessary to make sure that the PG rules are followed by everyone and everywhere there.

Now my fantasy goes even further. Philip Rosedales dream is, to one fine day merge the Teen and the Main Grid. There are very good reasons to not do that – but also some very good reasons why todays hard separation is sub-optimal. The Teen grid has a suffering economy (no wonder with such a limited customer base), someone who transfers from TG to MG when he turns 18 loses all contacts to the friends he made over years in the TG, RL parents can’t enjoy SL together with their RL kids and so on. Now, if Zindra was made the place I would like it to be, it also could be a mixed area. TG residents (who would be marked as exactly that) could go there, have a business there offering their creations to a much broader market or visit educational institutions. Former TG residents who got to old for TG could meet their old friends there and stay in contact with them. RL parents could spend time together with their RL kids in Second Life.
*.*.*

But knowing LL, *if* there will be a merge, it will be done in the most catastrophic way possible.

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By: Suzanne Aurilio http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108177 Suzanne Aurilio Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:51:36 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108177 If the Hakone experimental workspace of NMC is any indication of virtual things to come, it would seem that closed environments (for schools anyway) would have the potential of allaying the (justifiable)fears of parents and stewards of our children, more than any configurations of grid crossings. I'm just simply not convinced that formal education in its current forms, has any business in Second Life in the first place. Structurally, culturally and administratively, it's a mismatch. If the Hakone experimental workspace of NMC is any indication of virtual things to come, it would seem that closed environments (for schools anyway) would have the potential of allaying the (justifiable)fears of parents and stewards of our children, more than any configurations of grid crossings.

I’m just simply not convinced that formal education in its current forms, has any business in Second Life in the first place. Structurally, culturally and administratively, it’s a mismatch.

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By: Alberik Rotaru http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108138 Alberik Rotaru Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:53:24 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108138 The Teen Grid is a ghetto. LL could not be more obvious about it if they formally renamed it that way. As is classic with ghettos, they pay the same charges as everyone else but receive significantly less services. I doubt that is deliberate policy, it is just that LL is just not good at dealing with communities whose needs vary from the norm. Moreover, when a cousin who asked me to help with registering for that grid discovered, (1) it is actually impossible, for Australians at least, to meet the teen grid documentation requirements (2) for most legal purposes, particularly the laws on age of consent, child pornography and abuse, the relevant age in Australia (and most other jurisdictions including many in the US) is 16 not 18. I do not think the Adult Content/Zindra project has been executed very well, but if it leads to integration, even with some limits, of the Teen Grid, that would be a good thing from the point of view of education and expanding the user base. The Teen Grid is a ghetto. LL could not be more obvious about it if they formally renamed it that way. As is classic with ghettos, they pay the same charges as everyone else but receive significantly less services. I doubt that is deliberate policy, it is just that LL is just not good at dealing with communities whose needs vary from the norm.

Moreover, when a cousin who asked me to help with registering for that grid discovered, (1) it is actually impossible, for Australians at least, to meet the teen grid documentation requirements (2) for most legal purposes, particularly the laws on age of consent, child pornography and abuse, the relevant age in Australia (and most other jurisdictions including many in the US) is 16 not 18.

I do not think the Adult Content/Zindra project has been executed very well, but if it leads to integration, even with some limits, of the Teen Grid, that would be a good thing from the point of view of education and expanding the user base.

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By: Arwyn Quandry http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108092 Arwyn Quandry Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:57:43 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108092 Wow. Woowww. As an Ex-Teen Grid resident, I'm both cheering for this, and totally not believing it. Cheering, because this might help ease the content theft and economic problems plaguing the Teen Grid. Not believing it because this has been announced as many times as people have rung the death bell for SL. Either way, I'm going to wait on an official announcement before making any posts myself. Wow. Woowww. As an Ex-Teen Grid resident, I’m both cheering for this, and totally not believing it. Cheering, because this might help ease the content theft and economic problems plaguing the Teen Grid. Not believing it because this has been announced as many times as people have rung the death bell for SL. Either way, I’m going to wait on an official announcement before making any posts myself.

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By: Chilko Tardis http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/10/28/teen-grid-merger-with-second-life-imminent/comment-page-1/#comment-108091 Chilko Tardis Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:55:45 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1477#comment-108091 Hell, we discussed this with claudia at SLCC 07, and i don't see us anywhere closer. Hell, we discussed this with claudia at SLCC 07, and i don’t see us anywhere closer.

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