Comments on: Lost Leader: Journal of Virtual Worlds Research Dilutes Its Brand http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:08:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Prokofy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-162318 Prokofy Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:14:13 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-162318 Dusan, I haven't read this Journal in a while, and I was astounded at how bad it was. It's like the entire mediocre warmed over crew from Terra Nova (which I call Terra Antiqua) migrated over. It has all the same tired, well-worn "critical" (i.e. Marxist) essays about "the consumerist culture" and the "commodification of online life" blah blah de blah. I'll try to read more, but I've got enough of an idea to see that maybe what's happened here with PaP is that like has gravitated to like, not that the Journal's standards are slipping, because they aren't innovative. You should simply start a new one. Dusan, I haven’t read this Journal in a while, and I was astounded at how bad it was. It’s like the entire mediocre warmed over crew from Terra Nova (which I call Terra Antiqua) migrated over. It has all the same tired, well-worn “critical” (i.e. Marxist) essays about “the consumerist culture” and the “commodification of online life” blah blah de blah. I’ll try to read more, but I’ve got enough of an idea to see that maybe what’s happened here with PaP is that like has gravitated to like, not that the Journal’s standards are slipping, because they aren’t innovative.

You should simply start a new one.

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By: cube http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161997 cube Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:50:09 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161997 lol... v. pony up some cash... I'll use my time better;) I Got many ideas... promise. or find me a better venue.;) i keep looking.....and looking.;) lol…
v.
pony up some cash… I’ll use my time better;) I Got many ideas… promise.

or find me a better venue.;)

i keep looking…..and looking.;)

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By: V http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161980 V Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:27:35 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161980 "I don’t know why you haven’t been listening to me for five years." I have, and it's made me the man I am today... hold on, my 5 minutes weekley computer time is up. BACK TO THE PADDED ROOM! WOO WOO!!!!1 Say, Dusan ... now that you're done being a suckup, how are you going to make up for it? Ron, crist man are you that hard up for a job? i have a toilet you can clean! Cube - get a fuckin clue these people are idiots your wastin your time “I don’t know why you haven’t been listening to me for five years.”

I have, and it’s made me the man I am today…

hold on, my 5 minutes weekley computer time is up. BACK TO THE PADDED ROOM! WOO WOO!!!!1

Say, Dusan … now that you’re done being a suckup, how are you going to make up for it?

Ron, crist man are you that hard up for a job? i have a toilet you can clean!

Cube – get a fuckin clue these people are idiots your wastin your time

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By: cube http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161928 cube Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:20:12 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161928 lol.. funny stuff. romanovs...lol ah. youth and virtual worlds... a chance to dream. It seems many soon find that the real truths of virtual world/net media are found not when one is newly plugged in-- but when one gets unwillingly unplugged. lol.. funny stuff.
romanovs…lol

ah. youth and virtual worlds… a chance to dream.

It seems many soon find that the real truths of virtual world/net media are found not when one is newly plugged in– but when one gets unwillingly unplugged.

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By: Prokofy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161918 Prokofy Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:41:07 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161918 Gary Arthur Douglas II -- good Lord, is there a Gary Arthur Douglas III in the making?! Shall the world hold its breath for the little prince? I have to marvel that anyone could say that PaP has "got it". All PaP has in fact done is wheeled out the worst, most tired ridiculous memes about SL that were made in 2006 and 2007 and tried to re-tread them. Seriously, my eyes bug out. All the *lies*. Like "there's racism in SL, whew, read all about it, get it linked on the BBC which hates America!" or "Wow, we are single-handedly running the Iran revolution off an SL server, details at 11!" -- and a link to...somebody who isn't Iranian...with about 2 1/2 other people holding a candle in a virtual mosque with a sign telling others they can't honour the dead unless they put on the veil. Entirely un self critical. Entirely unconscious of in fact the latest conversations. That reference in the third-party, having us all waiting for the revelation that he is a lost Romanov rising from the pits of the Ipatiev House. Honestly, there hasn't been anything so pretentious around SL since Ron/Hiro Pendragon lol. Gary Arthur Douglas II — good Lord, is there a Gary Arthur Douglas III in the making?! Shall the world hold its breath for the little prince?

I have to marvel that anyone could say that PaP has “got it”. All PaP has in fact done is wheeled out the worst, most tired ridiculous memes about SL that were made in 2006 and 2007 and tried to re-tread them. Seriously, my eyes bug out. All the *lies*. Like “there’s racism in SL, whew, read all about it, get it linked on the BBC which hates America!” or “Wow, we are single-handedly running the Iran revolution off an SL server, details at 11!” — and a link to…somebody who isn’t Iranian…with about 2 1/2 other people holding a candle in a virtual mosque with a sign telling others they can’t honour the dead unless they put on the veil.

Entirely un self critical. Entirely unconscious of in fact the latest conversations. That reference in the third-party, having us all waiting for the revelation that he is a lost Romanov rising from the pits of the Ipatiev House. Honestly, there hasn’t been anything so pretentious around SL since Ron/Hiro Pendragon lol.

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By: Prokofy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161917 Prokofy Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:37:17 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161917 well, let’s just say I have second thoughts about what kind of person that would make me. Gosh, like...Second Thoughts' blogger doesn't know what kind of person you are already, asswipe. Recently Ron wrote to me that he was ready to make up (he is on my enemy list). He magnanimously did this because...he decided that *I* had changed (lol -- I haven't). He decided that I made "less ad hominem attacks". Therefore, he was ready to meet with me. Honestly, you couldn't script stuff funnier. Is Ron just looking for work now, is this the form it takes? I told him to go piss up a rope. well, let’s just say I have second thoughts about what kind of person that would make me.

Gosh, like…Second Thoughts’ blogger doesn’t know what kind of person you are already, asswipe.

Recently Ron wrote to me that he was ready to make up (he is on my enemy list). He magnanimously did this because…he decided that *I* had changed (lol — I haven’t). He decided that I made “less ad hominem attacks”. Therefore, he was ready to meet with me.

Honestly, you couldn’t script stuff funnier. Is Ron just looking for work now, is this the form it takes? I told him to go piss up a rope.

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By: Prokofy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161915 Prokofy Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:33:46 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161915 BTW, I have been seeing what you mean by the PaP guy, ugh, what an opportunist. It shows you how showboats always get on boards like that just for showing up and tooting their own horn. Awful stuff. No one to argue with him now. BTW, I have been seeing what you mean by the PaP guy, ugh, what an opportunist. It shows you how showboats always get on boards like that just for showing up and tooting their own horn. Awful stuff. No one to argue with him now.

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By: Prokofy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161913 Prokofy Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:27:27 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161913 I don't know why you haven't been listening to me for five years. I've been telling anybody whose lapels I could grab that opensource is overrated and people really care about IP way more than they do that information stone soup crap. Seriously. Worlds and stories shifting? Well, not really. The "destination worlds" You were silly to boycott Toy Fair. It was the richest intellectual experience I've had all year -- and that's saying something when you think I've also been to top-rate conferences in my field at Kennan, the UN, Columbia etc. Truly. You're being a silly socialist utopian nerdball with this "ACK THE HORRAH THEY MONETARIZING 6-YEAR OLDS". You have to be like Jim Bower on this. You don't say this is bad. You say that this *is*. You study it and figure out how to do it better. You win them over. Whyville is the dissident of these games, and now they have Wal-mart advertising them on Dells for sale in their store, not Whyville wandering lost in the halls of the Javitts Center looking for VC handouts like last year's has-been worlds. Wake up, Dusan. It's morning in the Metaverse. Geo-location? I would revise that to say "me location". Wherever people are roaming with their phones. They want stuff on their phones, but not necessarily about their location but perhaps a fact off Google or a song or a telephone number or even a book. People do have their noses in their phones more than in their worlds, but you know they do both, and move back and forth a lot more than they used to. 9-11 year-old girls' playing Farmville on their parents' Facebooks and chatting about it with their friends on their mobile phones in between some snatches of Free Realms or Club Penguin, this is where it's at. This is the future. There will be heavier and light on a continuum. Seriously, again, you can't have the vapours about the capitalism and the monetarizing. It's more about who gets to do the monetarizing, not whether there will be monetarizing. Do you know the fastest segment of mobile phone users in Europe, according to these toy execs, is the 8 year old kid? He is using his phone to buy Habbo furni. We don't have that in America yet because of heavy carrying charges. But that will change as it did for the EU and Japan and Russia. That 8 year old and his parents are not fainting in Victorian distress that he has been monetarizing, they are weaving it into their lives, making it part of his regime of allowance and chores. I don’t know why you haven’t been listening to me for five years. I’ve been telling anybody whose lapels I could grab that opensource is overrated and people really care about IP way more than they do that information stone soup crap. Seriously.

Worlds and stories shifting? Well, not really. The “destination worlds”

You were silly to boycott Toy Fair. It was the richest intellectual experience I’ve had all year — and that’s saying something when you think I’ve also been to top-rate conferences in my field at Kennan, the UN, Columbia etc. Truly.

You’re being a silly socialist utopian nerdball with this “ACK THE HORRAH THEY MONETARIZING 6-YEAR OLDS”. You have to be like Jim Bower on this. You don’t say this is bad. You say that this *is*. You study it and figure out how to do it better. You win them over. Whyville is the dissident of these games, and now they have Wal-mart advertising them on Dells for sale in their store, not Whyville wandering lost in the halls of the Javitts Center looking for VC handouts like last year’s has-been worlds. Wake up, Dusan. It’s morning in the Metaverse.

Geo-location? I would revise that to say “me location”. Wherever people are roaming with their phones. They want stuff on their phones, but not necessarily about their location but perhaps a fact off Google or a song or a telephone number or even a book. People do have their noses in their phones more than in their worlds, but you know they do both, and move back and forth a lot more than they used to.

9-11 year-old girls’ playing Farmville on their parents’ Facebooks and chatting about it with their friends on their mobile phones in between some snatches of Free Realms or Club Penguin, this is where it’s at. This is the future. There will be heavier and light on a continuum.

Seriously, again, you can’t have the vapours about the capitalism and the monetarizing. It’s more about who gets to do the monetarizing, not whether there will be monetarizing.

Do you know the fastest segment of mobile phone users in Europe, according to these toy execs, is the 8 year old kid? He is using his phone to buy Habbo furni. We don’t have that in America yet because of heavy carrying charges. But that will change as it did for the EU and Japan and Russia. That 8 year old and his parents are not fainting in Victorian distress that he has been monetarizing, they are weaving it into their lives, making it part of his regime of allowance and chores.

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By: cube http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161593 cube Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:15:43 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161593 Note to Dusan.. Notice that there is a very popular meme that " 2007 or even 1997" is a distant history past. NON important for the current meta. As mentioned, for a HUMAN CULTURE to thrive there must be a HISTORY of event/ story/ and the passage of information..-CONTEXT. The BLOG/ TECh/DIGG/ WIKI/ Meme has HAD its effect.. its being shown over and over on the web in the past decade.... Its the evidence combined with the ever erasing GOOGLEs affects, that CONTEXT is the victim of virtuality beyond its imediatte wrapper.. be it a blog/ or 3d room./space. time machines.... the way the meta think , they had no use for them;) well maybe only for the future button, to see their narcisstic futures..;) Note to Dusan..

Notice that there is a very popular meme that ” 2007 or even 1997″ is a distant history past. NON important for the current meta.

As mentioned, for a HUMAN CULTURE to thrive there must be a HISTORY of event/ story/ and the passage of information..-CONTEXT.

The BLOG/ TECh/DIGG/ WIKI/ Meme has HAD its effect.. its being shown over and over on the web in the past decade….

Its the evidence combined with the ever erasing GOOGLEs affects, that CONTEXT is the victim of virtuality beyond its imediatte wrapper.. be it a blog/ or 3d room./space.

time machines…. the way the meta think , they had no use for them;) well maybe only for the future button, to see their narcisstic futures..;)

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By: Ron T Blechner http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/02/17/lost-leader-journal-of-virtual-worlds-research-dilutes-its-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-161449 Ron T Blechner Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:00:46 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1823#comment-161449 Dusan, I asked to chat because I think both you and Max have some smart things to say. "David", Clearly you're in the industry. Beyond that, you're an anonymous comment troll - there's nothing you say anyone ought to believe. I was never *at* a bar last SLCC - I was too busy. I can think of one time I had drinks with a small handful of people (there was no speed-dial conversation, though) and if you indeed were there, it would make it really easy to figure out who you are. It's likely you're filtering hearsay through a third party or two, and getting the stories wrong. Or you have a serious split personality and someone who has been nice to me to my face. Either way, it's easiest for me just to dismiss you as anonymous. Dusan,

I asked to chat because I think both you and Max have some smart things to say.

“David”,

Clearly you’re in the industry. Beyond that, you’re an anonymous comment troll – there’s nothing you say anyone ought to believe.

I was never *at* a bar last SLCC – I was too busy. I can think of one time I had drinks with a small handful of people (there was no speed-dial conversation, though) and if you indeed were there, it would make it really easy to figure out who you are.

It’s likely you’re filtering hearsay through a third party or two, and getting the stories wrong. Or you have a serious split personality and someone who has been nice to me to my face. Either way, it’s easiest for me just to dismiss you as anonymous.

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