Comments on: The Web, Drifting into View http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:45:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Khepera http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-223061 Khepera Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:29:07 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-223061 #29, @ "Nowness" a significant cultural challenge. “Nowness” is dangerous, and the collective is weakened when “Nowness” is disconnected with the past...the collective past. The discussion of a shift in the discussion of history, & the shift in paradigm to a temporal premise from a spatial one are both interesting. However, the apparent underlying idea of what the Cybersphere is/should be imho runs counter to an either/or – time-based instead of spatial organization – determination...as does the Al Qaeda remark. When I read that, the first thing I thought of was the Ku Klux Klan nation, a non-geographically specific group recognized by the FBI. If we are about learning how to think differently – and thereby perceive and be differently – then a good starting place may be the prim level of ideation in ways that offer an egalitarian engagement of some fundamental cultural differences. #29, @ “Nowness” a significant cultural challenge. “Nowness” is dangerous, and the collective is weakened when “Nowness” is disconnected with the past…the collective past. The discussion of a shift in the discussion of history, & the shift in paradigm to a temporal premise from a spatial one are both interesting. However, the apparent underlying idea of what the Cybersphere is/should be imho runs counter to an either/or – time-based instead of spatial organization – determination…as does the Al Qaeda remark. When I read that, the first thing I thought of was the Ku Klux Klan nation, a non-geographically specific group recognized by the FBI.

If we are about learning how to think differently – and thereby perceive and be differently – then a good starting place may be the prim level of ideation in ways that offer an egalitarian engagement of some fundamental cultural differences.

]]> By: Will Linden Lab’s Change Efforts Destroy Second Life Culture as We Know it? – Botgirl Reloaded http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-178402 Will Linden Lab’s Change Efforts Destroy Second Life Culture as We Know it? – Botgirl Reloaded Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:40:17 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-178402 [...] Writer wrote a couple of posts last week that included a question about the impact of Linden Lab’s technology and governance [...] [...] Writer wrote a couple of posts last week that included a question about the impact of Linden Lab’s technology and governance [...]

]]> By: Way Beyond The Web: ha-da-da-dee-da da-da hava da da « The Meshverse Journal – Node 3 http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-172557 Way Beyond The Web: ha-da-da-dee-da da-da hava da da « The Meshverse Journal – Node 3 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:03:57 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-172557 [...] The Web, Drifting Into View [...] [...] The Web, Drifting Into View [...]

]]> By: cube inada http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-169246 cube inada Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:51:48 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-169246 " We know what virtual nations can be like: Al Qaeda is one of the first." agreed prisco- well. so much for learning from history...;) meta fail.- now. tech arrogance. ” We know what virtual nations can be like: Al Qaeda is one of the first.”

agreed prisco- well. so much for learning from history…;)

meta fail.- now.
tech arrogance.

]]> By: Giulio Prisco http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-169163 Giulio Prisco Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:36:40 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-169163 <i>Virtual nations — whose members can live anywhere, united by the Internet — threaten to shatter mankind like glass into razor-sharp fragments that draw blood. We know what virtual nations can be like: Al Qaeda is one of the first.</i> Al Qaeda is not one of the first. Many decades before, there have been peaceful virtual nations based on shared worldviews and ideas. Remember the 60s? Even before the 20thy century, we had virtual nations. Many were started by followers of great people with beautiful ideas: we call this virtual nations "religions" and "philosophies". Virtual nations can unite people beyond geographical borders, and make our world a better place. I think facilitating the establishment of virtual nations is one of the best results of the Internet, and I am saddened to see that Gelernter Our world is _already_ "shattered like glass into razor-sharp fragments that draw blood" -- and the fragmentation is often based on irrelevant geographic accidents. And history demonstrates that nations can change from great to horrible places in only a few decades. We did not choose the countries we were born in, but we can and do choose the communities we want to be a part of. Therefore, our identification with distributed intentional communities can (and should) be stronger than our identification with geographical territories. Virtual nations — whose members can live anywhere, united by the Internet — threaten to shatter mankind like glass into razor-sharp fragments that draw blood. We know what virtual nations can be like: Al Qaeda is one of the first.

Al Qaeda is not one of the first. Many decades before, there have been peaceful virtual nations based on shared worldviews and ideas. Remember the 60s? Even before the 20thy century, we had virtual nations. Many were started by followers of great people with beautiful ideas: we call this virtual nations “religions” and “philosophies”.

Virtual nations can unite people beyond geographical borders, and make our world a better place. I think facilitating the establishment of virtual nations is one of the best results of the Internet, and I am saddened to see that Gelernter

Our world is _already_ “shattered like glass into razor-sharp fragments that draw blood” — and the fragmentation is often based on irrelevant geographic accidents. And history demonstrates that nations can change from great to horrible places in only a few decades.

We did not choose the countries we were born in, but we can and do choose the communities we want to be a part of. Therefore, our identification with distributed intentional communities can (and should) be stronger than our identification with geographical territories.

]]> By: Lalo Telling http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-169151 Lalo Telling Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:01:29 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-169151 @ann4ek: There is also the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine http://www.archive.org/web/web.php [and... this post of Dusan's inspired one of my own: http://lalotelling.blogspot.com/2010/03/resistance-is-not-futile.html ] @ann4ek: There is also the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

[and... this post of Dusan's inspired one of my own:
http://lalotelling.blogspot.com/2010/03/resistance-is-not-futile.html ]

]]> By: Ann4ek http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-168980 Ann4ek Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:39:07 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-168980 "31. But — the Internet could be the most powerful device ever invented for understanding the past, and the texture of time." - I would agree with it, if the domains would be bought forever. But if the man who has created a site is dead - his site will die too because of unpaid domain, hosting etc... So maybe someone has to think about free domains to create a past in future? :D “31. But — the Internet could be the most powerful device ever invented for understanding the past, and the texture of time.” – I would agree with it, if the domains would be bought forever. But if the man who has created a site is dead – his site will die too because of unpaid domain, hosting etc… So maybe someone has to think about free domains to create a past in future? :D

]]> By: brinda Allen http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-168868 brinda Allen Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:06:29 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-168868 As an immersionist rather than an augmentalist I'm saddened by the direction the Secondlife platform is taking. I can find all I'm looking for on the web. Period. Stop. End. I come to Secondlife to wander LL route #7... To sit on a prim and sit... To chat without a direction... Maybe, just maybe, to help dress a nooblet... As an immersionist rather than an augmentalist I’m saddened by the direction the Secondlife platform is taking.
I can find all I’m looking for on the web.
Period.
Stop.
End.

I come to Secondlife to wander LL route #7…
To sit on a prim and sit…
To chat without a direction…

Maybe, just maybe, to help dress a nooblet…

]]> By: cube http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-168782 cube Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:11:42 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-168782 Electricity, the stream, all a century old. Wasnt taken seriously then either. That "nowness" wasnt solved by the kodacrome either. It was just forgotten. Electricity, the stream, all a century old. Wasnt taken seriously then either.

That “nowness” wasnt solved by the kodacrome either. It was just forgotten.

]]> By: Dusan http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/03/08/the-web-drifting-into-view/comment-page-1/#comment-168758 Dusan Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:28:15 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=1886#comment-168758 HAHAHAHA Lalo - we may not always agree but I love ya! :) HAHAHAHA Lalo – we may not always agree but I love ya!

:)

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