Comments on: When Amazon Buys Linden Lab http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:08:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anno nuovo, Second Life nuova – 3: le innovazioni in arrivo « Opensource Obscure http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-253331 Anno nuovo, Second Life nuova – 3: le innovazioni in arrivo « Opensource Obscure Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:59:33 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-253331 [...] Il che potrebbe anche non essere necessariamente un male. [...] [...] Il che potrebbe anche non essere necessariamente un male. [...]

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By: chaddington boomhauer http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-203077 chaddington boomhauer Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:39:23 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-203077 LL's been saved worrying about concurrency at least for a while, because less and less people have been logging on over time. http://taterunino.net/statcharts/median_conc_by_day400.jpg LL’s been saved worrying about concurrency at least for a while, because less and less people have been logging on over time. http://taterunino.net/statcharts/median_conc_by_day400.jpg

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By: Dusan http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-200101 Dusan Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:34:57 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-200101 You're absolutely right, Roland. Scalability is not the barrier to mainstream adoption, and I made the point facetiously in the post - if the Lab DID reach out to Amazon it would be because they can't figure out that it's not the first hour, it's not the dark fiber or whatever it is, it's not whether people shop or not which are the road blocks to increased use. 3D environments are about to go mainstream because they'll be embedded in Web sites, there will be 3D spaces without avatars, MMOs will be streamed like television shows. 3D is the next wave of Web development and it will integrate with augmented reality - mirror worlds, 3D product displays, etc. It will be irritating (think blinky banner ads) but it will also become profound as designers learn how to use 3D tools effectively. The thing that Second Life always had going for it was content, which was facilitated by tools (tech), commerce and ownership. Content and creation then became the signaling mechanism for deep community. But Second Life has done everything possible to put road blocks to content and the communities that emerge because of it. Trying to find something? Break search. Trying to bring a group together? Group chat and notices don't work. Trying to keep in touch with your students? Don't send IMs, they might cap. Trying to build something? Release a viewer that's unusable by most serious content developers. I still believe there's a role for large-scale virtual world technology, whether using distributed architecture or centralized systems. I'm not so sure the Lab can dig itself out of the hole it's increasingly finding itself in but I'm confident in the larger promise, although I tend to think it will come out of a large-scale game environment (think Dead Red Redemption on a global scale but with the ability to rez prims) than the current technology set. You’re absolutely right, Roland. Scalability is not the barrier to mainstream adoption, and I made the point facetiously in the post – if the Lab DID reach out to Amazon it would be because they can’t figure out that it’s not the first hour, it’s not the dark fiber or whatever it is, it’s not whether people shop or not which are the road blocks to increased use.

3D environments are about to go mainstream because they’ll be embedded in Web sites, there will be 3D spaces without avatars, MMOs will be streamed like television shows. 3D is the next wave of Web development and it will integrate with augmented reality – mirror worlds, 3D product displays, etc. It will be irritating (think blinky banner ads) but it will also become profound as designers learn how to use 3D tools effectively.

The thing that Second Life always had going for it was content, which was facilitated by tools (tech), commerce and ownership. Content and creation then became the signaling mechanism for deep community.

But Second Life has done everything possible to put road blocks to content and the communities that emerge because of it.

Trying to find something? Break search.

Trying to bring a group together? Group chat and notices don’t work.

Trying to keep in touch with your students? Don’t send IMs, they might cap.

Trying to build something? Release a viewer that’s unusable by most serious content developers.

I still believe there’s a role for large-scale virtual world technology, whether using distributed architecture or centralized systems. I’m not so sure the Lab can dig itself out of the hole it’s increasingly finding itself in but I’m confident in the larger promise, although I tend to think it will come out of a large-scale game environment (think Dead Red Redemption on a global scale but with the ability to rez prims) than the current technology set.

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By: Roland Legrand http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199996 Roland Legrand Mon, 31 May 2010 21:33:26 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199996 In this ironical/hypothetical scenario, Amazon would be the solution for the flat users number of Second Life... and why is that flat again? "Our concurrency has been flat, and there’s speculation that it’s because people log off as the lag grows – but the reasons don’t matter." That's where I disagree: the reasons do matter. Or even: the perceived reasons matter. Right now, in the wider space of social media - folks who use social media for professional or personal reasons - the most common reaction I get on Second Life is "I thought that closed down a long time ago." Avatar based, open-ended, user-generated immersive 3D environments for grown-ups are a big success... for a loyal niche of believers, and that's about it. Metaplace tried and failed, Google tried Lively and failed, Google runs Google Earth but nothing indicates they want to turn that into a virtual world. Second Life is great for geeky meetings, for proto-typing, for education (how many of the immersed students actually stay after their assignments?), for people who want to live a fully immersed roleplaying second life, but it's not going mainstream anytime soon - it's one of those great tech-ideas which just don't make it (in terms of going mainstream). So Amazon won't buy it, because even though they love to cater for the long tail, they are a mainstream company by now. So, I said it. That's what I, a proud resident of Second Life, think about it - and I hope I'm wrong about this, that it would be as simple as 'solve the scalability problem and we go mainstream.' In this ironical/hypothetical scenario, Amazon would be the solution for the flat users number of Second Life… and why is that flat again? “Our concurrency has been flat, and there’s speculation that it’s because people log off as the lag grows – but the reasons don’t matter.”
That’s where I disagree: the reasons do matter. Or even: the perceived reasons matter.

Right now, in the wider space of social media – folks who use social media for professional or personal reasons – the most common reaction I get on Second Life is “I thought that closed down a long time ago.”

Avatar based, open-ended, user-generated immersive 3D environments for grown-ups are a big success… for a loyal niche of believers, and that’s about it.

Metaplace tried and failed, Google tried Lively and failed, Google runs Google Earth but nothing indicates they want to turn that into a virtual world.

Second Life is great for geeky meetings, for proto-typing, for education (how many of the immersed students actually stay after their assignments?), for people who want to live a fully immersed roleplaying second life, but it’s not going mainstream anytime soon – it’s one of those great tech-ideas which just don’t make it (in terms of going mainstream).

So Amazon won’t buy it, because even though they love to cater for the long tail, they are a mainstream company by now.

So, I said it. That’s what I, a proud resident of Second Life, think about it – and I hope I’m wrong about this, that it would be as simple as ‘solve the scalability problem and we go mainstream.’

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By: User-Centered Design and Web Accessibility Blog - AniktoBlog » Blog Archive » The Business Rationale for Virtual Accessibility http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199908 User-Centered Design and Web Accessibility Blog - AniktoBlog » Blog Archive » The Business Rationale for Virtual Accessibility Mon, 31 May 2010 13:42:28 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199908 [...] and timely blog post over the weekend. Dusan Writer discussed a hypothetical scenario where Amazon and Linden Lab (creators of Second Life) join forces to create a virtual marketplace, combining the Web’s strongest e-commerce model with the best [...] [...] and timely blog post over the weekend. Dusan Writer discussed a hypothetical scenario where Amazon and Linden Lab (creators of Second Life) join forces to create a virtual marketplace, combining the Web’s strongest e-commerce model with the best [...]

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By: IntLibber http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199845 IntLibber Mon, 31 May 2010 03:50:03 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199845 And no, Georgianna, nobody is going to bite at the virtual shopping for real world goods idea, (one which I have been hyping to major corps for years now, to no avail) for several reasons. One of which is the Linden dollar, and another being the bookkeeping nightmare that results from paying for things in a currency that its creators refuse to acknowlege is actually a currency instead of a "licensed service". Other reasons are that, given the many stories of Linden Lab seizing the money and property of users (myself included, to the tune of many millions of L$), real life companies will always refuse to do business in any jurisdiction that refuses to absolutely guarantee their right to their property, it doesn't matter whether it is Linden Lab or Venezuela you are talking about. A company that refuses to comply with Marsh vs Alabama is not going to attract other businesses to play in its world. And no, Georgianna, nobody is going to bite at the virtual shopping for real world goods idea, (one which I have been hyping to major corps for years now, to no avail) for several reasons. One of which is the Linden dollar, and another being the bookkeeping nightmare that results from paying for things in a currency that its creators refuse to acknowlege is actually a currency instead of a “licensed service”. Other reasons are that, given the many stories of Linden Lab seizing the money and property of users (myself included, to the tune of many millions of L$), real life companies will always refuse to do business in any jurisdiction that refuses to absolutely guarantee their right to their property, it doesn’t matter whether it is Linden Lab or Venezuela you are talking about. A company that refuses to comply with Marsh vs Alabama is not going to attract other businesses to play in its world.

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By: IntLibber http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199844 IntLibber Mon, 31 May 2010 03:44:46 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199844 Folks, really, Google tried this before, with Lively, and it was an utter failure. Imagine what is gonna happen when Jack Linden tells Google that no, they can't run adsense programs on virtual land billboards. Jack will either get fired or Google simply won't bite to begin with. Amazon is smart enough to see that SL is hopelessly broken primarily because LL's management is hobbled by predatory retards who think that anybody else making a profit at something is somehow stealing from their bottom line. Folks, really, Google tried this before, with Lively, and it was an utter failure. Imagine what is gonna happen when Jack Linden tells Google that no, they can’t run adsense programs on virtual land billboards. Jack will either get fired or Google simply won’t bite to begin with.

Amazon is smart enough to see that SL is hopelessly broken primarily because LL’s management is hobbled by predatory retards who think that anybody else making a profit at something is somehow stealing from their bottom line.

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By: Troy McConaghy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199711 Troy McConaghy Sun, 30 May 2010 16:07:22 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199711 The "Google Cloud" as a service others can use (like Amazon Web Services) is still fairly new. Google App Engine has been around for about two years but they only just announced the business version of that (with a Service Level Agreement), and it won't be available until later this year. Google also announced a storage-only service (like S3 but architecturally very different) but right now it's only available to developers in the United States in a limited beta test. Of course, Google already offers a ton of services on top of their cloud, and many SL residents already take advantage of those (e.g. Google Search, Blogger, AdSense, Gmail, Google Groups, Google Calendar, etc.) The “Google Cloud” as a service others can use (like Amazon Web Services) is still fairly new. Google App Engine has been around for about two years but they only just announced the business version of that (with a Service Level Agreement), and it won’t be available until later this year.

Google also announced a storage-only service (like S3 but architecturally very different) but right now it’s only available to developers in the United States in a limited beta test.

Of course, Google already offers a ton of services on top of their cloud, and many SL residents already take advantage of those (e.g. Google Search, Blogger, AdSense, Gmail, Google Groups, Google Calendar, etc.)

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By: Georgianna Blackburn http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199667 Georgianna Blackburn Sun, 30 May 2010 13:01:38 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199667 Dusan, what a perfectly delicious croissant you served to go with my morning coffee. I am still in amazement that "someone" hasn't taken the next step in virtual shopping for real goods. I've been surfing endlessly trying to find a new coffee-maker and a new gas grill. How cool it would be to go from a site, like Lowe's or Amazon, with product details to being transformed to a virtual shopping area where I could talk live to others about what they liked or didn't like about various products, instead of reading endless reviews that I'm not sure are written in earnest. How cool would it be to shop in a virtual world where I spend so much time already working and socializing and shopping for virtual goods, to incorporate clicking inworld on RL products to purchase them after making my buying decision. Mainstream... hurry up and catch up with us. We have needs to be met. Dusan, what a perfectly delicious croissant you served to go with my morning coffee.

I am still in amazement that “someone” hasn’t taken the next step in virtual shopping for real goods. I’ve been surfing endlessly trying to find a new coffee-maker and a new gas grill.

How cool it would be to go from a site, like Lowe’s or Amazon, with product details to being transformed to a virtual shopping area where I could talk live to others about what they liked or didn’t like about various products, instead of reading endless reviews that I’m not sure are written in earnest.

How cool would it be to shop in a virtual world where I spend so much time already working and socializing and shopping for virtual goods, to incorporate clicking inworld on RL products to purchase them after making my buying decision.

Mainstream… hurry up and catch up with us. We have needs to be met.

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By: Giulio Prisco http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/05/29/when-amazon-buys-linden-lab/comment-page-1/#comment-199613 Giulio Prisco Sun, 30 May 2010 09:20:30 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2283#comment-199613 Perhaps the Google Cloud might be another possibility. At the last Google I/O they announced new options to port complex applications to the cloud: http://giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2010/05/google-io-2010.html But I am think one of these days Google will launch its rumored Google Meetings videoconferencing tool (link above) integrated with Google Apps, and it will quickly become the leading application for collaborative business videoconferencing, displacing some similar applications of 3D virtual worlds. Perhaps the Google Cloud might be another possibility. At the last Google I/O they announced new options to port complex applications to the cloud:
http://giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2010/05/google-io-2010.html

But I am think one of these days Google will launch its rumored Google Meetings videoconferencing tool (link above) integrated with Google Apps, and it will quickly become the leading application for collaborative business videoconferencing, displacing some similar applications of 3D virtual worlds.

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