Comments on: Show Up: Your Guide to Helping to Improve Second Life http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/ Virtual worlds and creativity, business, collaboration, and identity. Wed, 25 Aug 2010 04:25:09 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: =IcaruS= | =IcaruS= News http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-220080 =IcaruS= | =IcaruS= News Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:58:57 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-220080 [...] Show Up: Your Guide to Helping to Improve Second Life [...] [...] Show Up: Your Guide to Helping to Improve Second Life [...]

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By: Gooden Uggla http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219742 Gooden Uggla Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:13:05 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219742 Thanks for the good laugh. New slogan, same old Lab... Thanks for the good laugh.
New slogan, same old Lab…

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By: Prokofy http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219630 Prokofy Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:38:09 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219630 I'm right to oppose Dale Innis every time he shows up in these sorts of discussions because he advocates the same sort of totalitarianism that Oz does -- the idea that there is some "scientific" or "right way" or making software; the notion that people "have to be constructive"; the idea that only certain paths are "effective" -- these are all fictions, and sinister fictions that are merely designed to keep certain people in power. There's nothing radical whatsoever about having a fake open call for residents to "participate". No thousands or even tens will come. Only the same groupies come, because only those groupies will jump through the hoops and fit through the sieves that that these nouveau totalitarians cook up. A case in point is the outrageous creation of a brand-new JIRA just the other day by the cutesie "Snowstorm Dev Team" -- a collectivized non-individual account now storming the JIRA. The JIRA is about the long-noted problem of non-detachable menus from that awful sidebar thing. Back in *February* a resident posted a JIRA and got 120 votes *for the same thing*. That's ignored, and an entirely new JIRA with the identical wish list is created. A resident puts in a note that this is a "duplicate" -- but of course it doesn't matter. Votes, discussions -- these are all irrelevant to the Snowplow. Instead, fake "user stories" are put up by not the users, but the software makers based on dumbed-down and denatured user proposals. The goal is to disempower and tame the user or wear them out by attrition. I’m right to oppose Dale Innis every time he shows up in these sorts of discussions because he advocates the same sort of totalitarianism that Oz does — the idea that there is some “scientific” or “right way” or making software; the notion that people “have to be constructive”; the idea that only certain paths are “effective” — these are all fictions, and sinister fictions that are merely designed to keep certain people in power.

There’s nothing radical whatsoever about having a fake open call for residents to “participate”. No thousands or even tens will come. Only the same groupies come, because only those groupies will jump through the hoops and fit through the sieves that that these nouveau totalitarians cook up.

A case in point is the outrageous creation of a brand-new JIRA just the other day by the cutesie “Snowstorm Dev Team” — a collectivized non-individual account now storming the JIRA. The JIRA is about the long-noted problem of non-detachable menus from that awful sidebar thing. Back in *February* a resident posted a JIRA and got 120 votes *for the same thing*. That’s ignored, and an entirely new JIRA with the identical wish list is created. A resident puts in a note that this is a “duplicate” — but of course it doesn’t matter. Votes, discussions — these are all irrelevant to the Snowplow. Instead, fake “user stories” are put up by not the users, but the software makers based on dumbed-down and denatured user proposals.

The goal is to disempower and tame the user or wear them out by attrition.

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By: A note to Oz « cyberloom http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219511 A note to Oz « cyberloom Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:52:51 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219511 [...] you are a newbie with no money). A miserable experience which made Dusan Writer’s recent post Show Up: Your Guide to Helping to Improve Second Life all the more relevant. Dusan quotes Oz Linden’s recent entreaty to SL residents to help [...] [...] you are a newbie with no money). A miserable experience which made Dusan Writer’s recent post Show Up: Your Guide to Helping to Improve Second Life all the more relevant. Dusan quotes Oz Linden’s recent entreaty to SL residents to help [...]

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By: Lem Skall http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219397 Lem Skall Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:38:20 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219397 IMHO, the people who have never used SL at all are most at fault for the state that SL is in. Talk about not showing up... Seriously though, what I find to be the worst about this appeal for help is that the Lindens think of us as stakeholders when they need our labor but not when making the most important decisions about policy and strategy. I have personally come to accept the latter but then calling us stakeholders is just manipulative. IMHO, the people who have never used SL at all are most at fault for the state that SL is in. Talk about not showing up…

Seriously though, what I find to be the worst about this appeal for help is that the Lindens think of us as stakeholders when they need our labor but not when making the most important decisions about policy and strategy. I have personally come to accept the latter but then calling us stakeholders is just manipulative.

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By: Dale Innis http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219351 Dale Innis Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:32:02 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219351 hahaha... now this post I understood! :) In Oz's defense, what he's actually trying to do is tell people how, as a matter of fact, they can be most effective in getting ideas directly to the dev team, in a way that's most likely to get adopted. In most companies, no one would have any hope of doing that at all, and the only way to express ideas or opinions would be to waft notes out toward the CEO's office or something and never hear anything back (for ideas) and to either remain a customer or not (for opinions). Oz does tend, though, to be a bit derisive (is that the word I'm looking for?) toward things that customers might do wrt the dev team that *aren't* the most effective possible ones. I'm fascinated by the idea of letting any of the thousands of Resis who might feel like coming, attend actual developer work sessions. It's weird and radical, and I love it... :) hahaha… now this post I understood! :)

In Oz’s defense, what he’s actually trying to do is tell people how, as a matter of fact, they can be most effective in getting ideas directly to the dev team, in a way that’s most likely to get adopted.

In most companies, no one would have any hope of doing that at all, and the only way to express ideas or opinions would be to waft notes out toward the CEO’s office or something and never hear anything back (for ideas) and to either remain a customer or not (for opinions).

Oz does tend, though, to be a bit derisive (is that the word I’m looking for?) toward things that customers might do wrt the dev team that *aren’t* the most effective possible ones.

I’m fascinated by the idea of letting any of the thousands of Resis who might feel like coming, attend actual developer work sessions. It’s weird and radical, and I love it… :)

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By: WhiskeyRiver http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219350 WhiskeyRiver Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:28:25 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219350 PS,.. It was just a fun thought,..not a serious idea.(though it really would be fun,wouldnt it?To see those numbers plummet and wait to see if there is any response to it by the LL) PS,..
It was just a fun thought,..not a serious idea.(though it really would be fun,wouldnt it?To see those numbers plummet and wait to see if there is any response to it by the LL)

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By: WhiskeyRiver http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219349 WhiskeyRiver Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:25:19 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219349 First off,thank you,Wayfinder for letting me know about this blog,and second,thank you Dusan for writing an insightful and fun to read post. Well,..after reading this,which once you hit the "Getting Your Issues Out There"bit seems almost a game to wiggle through,it makes one really think about some things. In the end,I came up with an idea.Operation Short Temporary Boycott. The only thing I think will shake those idiots up will be if everyone suddenly leaves SL for say,..two days.That would be a real wake up call to anyone if their Login numbers dropped close to less than a thousand,or so,for that two days.a 0 login would be incredibly fun to see,but I dont think a lot of those who dont pay money would join in.They really have nothing to lose,until the end of SL comes.Gather all the people you trust,and send it by word of mouth,so to speak,and let fly with it.Just dont login.Do this only AFTER-'SHOWING UP',-and wading through that process of finding the right place for your issues and posting them.Perhaps this might make their fuzzy little heads clear of that fog long enough to have a momentary panic.It wouldnt harm any one of us(well,except for a few withdrawals, heehee)to just fix a date and not log in for two days.Even one day might do the trick.Perhaps they might listen,just a bit. Just my idea,my two cents at the thought.lol. First off,thank you,Wayfinder for letting me know about this blog,and second,thank you Dusan for writing an insightful and fun to read post. Well,..after reading this,which once you hit the “Getting Your Issues Out There”bit seems almost a game to wiggle through,it makes one really think about some things. In the end,I came up with an idea.Operation Short Temporary Boycott.
The only thing I think will shake those idiots up will be if everyone suddenly leaves SL for say,..two days.That would be a real wake up call to anyone if their Login numbers dropped close to less than a thousand,or so,for that two days.a 0 login would be incredibly fun to see,but I dont think a lot of those who dont pay money would join in.They really have nothing to lose,until the end of SL comes.Gather all the people you trust,and send it by word of mouth,so to speak,and let fly with it.Just dont login.Do this only AFTER-’SHOWING UP’,-and wading through that process of finding the right place for your issues and posting them.Perhaps this might make their fuzzy little heads clear of that fog long enough to have a momentary panic.It wouldnt harm any one of us(well,except for a few withdrawals,
heehee)to just fix a date and not log in for two days.Even one day might do the trick.Perhaps they might listen,just a bit.
Just my idea,my two cents at the thought.lol.

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By: c3 http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219304 c3 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:42:33 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219304 beyond the looking glass...lol proks a hero and dusan's historical...lol sorry. but its funny... beyond the looking glass…lol
proks a hero and dusan’s historical…lol

sorry. but its funny…

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By: Gary Kohime http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2010/08/19/show-up-your-guide-to-helping-to-improve-second-life/comment-page-1/#comment-219298 Gary Kohime Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:18:11 +0000 http://dusanwriter.com/?p=2496#comment-219298 @ Dusan, nothing short of brilliant satire and accuracy. Albeit, like a story, but nonetheless honest, straightforward and intelligent. This is one of your top posts, may it be historical in insight, and in the present your insight is astounding! @Prok, I take back all I've thought about you, I see you in another light. :) Your a "reality check" to us all. Don't stop, please :) On the subject of Philip and this whole SCRUM/SL Viewer thing: My understanding is most GOOD software apps. that are Open Sourced, were built from the GROUND up. Exposing the source code as LL did some time ago, allowed innovation of the Viewer experience and there are various great viewers out there. Maybe WE might to well in opening a development of the SL Viewer or say Open Sim viewer at SourceForge as a full fledged TRUE development community and not this "cultic" approach. For the first time.. I'm not feeling the LOVE (that's been so supposedly present from the past of SL (in the way of Phillips original reason for the idea of virtual worlds. I'm feeling manipulated, coerced, and almost brain washed! Luckily, most of us OUT here, have a level head and see the light before it consumed us. Don't stop eveyone!! Trust includes with it.. or pre-disposed along with Betrayal. Well, I think we know what's present now. Gary @ Dusan, nothing short of brilliant satire and accuracy. Albeit, like a story, but nonetheless honest, straightforward and intelligent. This is one of your top posts, may it be historical in insight, and in the present your insight is astounding!

@Prok, I take back all I’ve thought about you, I see you in another light. :) Your a “reality check” to us all. Don’t stop, please :)

On the subject of Philip and this whole SCRUM/SL Viewer thing:

My understanding is most GOOD software apps. that are Open Sourced, were built from the GROUND up. Exposing the source code as LL did some time ago, allowed innovation of the Viewer experience and there are various great viewers out there. Maybe WE might to well in opening a development of the SL Viewer or say Open Sim viewer at SourceForge as a full fledged TRUE development community and not this “cultic” approach.

For the first time.. I’m not feeling the LOVE (that’s been so supposedly present from the past of SL (in the way of Phillips original reason for the idea of virtual worlds. I’m feeling manipulated, coerced, and almost brain washed!

Luckily, most of us OUT here, have a level head and see the light before it consumed us.

Don’t stop eveyone!! Trust includes with it.. or pre-disposed along with Betrayal. Well, I think we know what’s present now.

Gary

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